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Old 07-31-2012, 06:48 AM   #39
agolutuaddiff

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Tim Daggett said they were quite harsh on Jordyn and she was underscored. Regardless of the tiny bobbles in 3 routines, she is world champion and she is a beautiful gymnast. Gabby is gangly, and Ally was lucky, she is clunky, not as good as her rep on floor. The Russians and the Romanians and Chinese look so much better on floor given their ballet training. There were judges that wanted to see Weiber lose her WC and I think she was underscored with "skateorder" a factor. She is a class act. Well, USA is going to win Team Gold, and I hope Jordan gets an individual gold. She is so powerful, yet elegant. She is not Nastia and nerves thru her off. But this is rediculous we will not see number 3 russian, chinese or romanian. The best gymnasts are not being allowed to compete for all around. I have said before in skating at the WC and Olympics I do not want to see East Podunk's best skater when US, or Japan's top 4 ladies are in the top 12 or 14. I don't want to see number 24 28 seeded skater or gymnast at the expense of seeing the WC ot top 10 in the world. It seems so unfair, though I see thre rationale. It is hard to be inclusive and make it a tru world competition if the biggest, richest countries who subsidize have 6 people in the all around, and the smaller nations have no chance to compete. It does not seem there is a faie, inclusive way to deal with this. Or is there? Ideas on what the Olympic rules should be for gymnastics?

Maybe we look at the previous two years results before Olympics to have intl standings/ rank while then having the qualifying count for ? 50 percent? How do we get to ensure that the best, most consistent get to compete for all around in gymnastics at the Olympics? Tennis goes by rankings, then qualifying right? It does not matter about nationality or am I wrong?

Can Bekalc or some gym buff explain when the rule became just the top two qualifiers? And I do not agree either that a country should be limited to three spots. I know people are going to say skating e.g. is losing their European and Northamerican audience because of the Asian dominance, but if the top 4 seeded ladies in the world are from Japan, well, the best should be at the world championships and Olympics. They have earned it if the numbers prove it. I think for skating, we should see people at the Olympics who have competed per ISU rules for two years. I don't think it was fair, nor did it work, that Nastia just hopped back in for 8 months and got to do the trials. How does that work? Was she allowed or invited based on past credentials? It did not work, and she embarassed herself I think because she was no where near Olympic shape. It seemed about her love of fame and publicity. I am not sure how and why Gymnastics works for comebacks.

And what of the skaters -Olympic champions who don't compete for two or three years yet come back or get a bye from their federation. I am an MK fan and a Sasha fan, but I don't think it was fair to the current US ladies when Sasha missed the limelight and came back to Nationals not having competed. Her sp was fine, but we know in lesser comps she could not put an Sp and LP together and win gold except in a few GP events and the GP itself (she won one GP final? correct my memory please if wrong). 2010 Nationals should have been about the current highly ranked skaters and their Oly journey. It turned out well as Mirai and Rach were the best we had at the time, did wonderfully, had been competing well, and deserved their first journey to Olympics. And they were incredible-Rach having deserved 5th acc to the experts.

I kinda think it was unfair when all the pros came back in 1994. As it turned out, one seemingly cursed skater and her victim were the stars of the show. Katarina who? If she knew she was not remotely competitive, should she have been there? At elite Oly level FS or Gymnastics, there is a time and window. Once in a half century, there is a Plushenko. He actually has been working through surgeries to become the CoP skater he needs to be to deserve a spot for Russia. So while I saw him as a relic and politically powerful person in Vancouver (who could still out jump the young ones), it does seem like there is a greed factor at work for many athletes who have already won the gold. MK was nowhere near Shizuka technically, and I am not so sure I liked what almost happened. As it turned out, she wasn't competitive due to injury and she saw Shizuka and Irina and she made a decision. A smart one. Injured and outgunned, Emily got her spot back. I will never understand and someone can explain who knows the rules and history better than me, how she was so good the committee saw her sp and lp and she was good enough for a bye-skated great we heard. Then she is injured in her first practice? Whatever happened, Emily was called on and was ready. Seems the universe puts a lot of things in a just way. Sometimes anyway. Yes, I'd rather watch a fit Mk over Emily Hughes any day of the week, but Emily had been competing, following the rules, and she earned her spot. I'm not sure I understand a 'bye' but it fairly got Nancy to an Olympics she deserved (and most say won).

Now people are saying Yuna is more than ready to get her 3x3's back and that she is unbeatable technically and that her PCS's are always so high she is lock if she returns. If Yuna returns as "all that" it does seem that with her experience, her ability to get the best coaches, choreographers, costumes, etc, she might be the first repeat gold medalist since Katarina. I think that she is a great probability for a medal, but I think her gold medal will help and hinder. People will expect the two perfect performances, they will expect her to have improved in her lines, spirals, spins, and of course will expect the jump amplitude and flow in and out. So she may get rep points or she may get dinged by bigger points if she makes major mistakes. Yuna's comeback seem motivated by sincere reasons. I don't think she needs the publicity to keep the brand hot. I think we all want to know, if she can do thew job she did in Vancouver. So that is not a comeback that seems crazy, desperate. Two years is enough time to regain what she has lost. Yuna fans are thrilled or terrified for her it seems. I think it is a risk she may regret at N Korea will continue their obsession. I do not understand why she would take a ticket for more crazy fishbowl years, but...And N Korea has no one whose place she is taking who is remotely good enough to be on a world or Olympic podium. If there were one spot and she took it from someone who was regularly competing, I might find that unfair. Kind of the MK Emily issue when MK had been to 3 Olympics, skated in two. Was 4th just unfair when she did not win nationals or even skate there? I wish I had a better understanding of all these scorings/rules that many have. I hope interest and postings pick up in this Summer Olympics.

If someone here would explain the scoring in brief, ladies and mens it would be nice. Right now I have tuned in to men's gymnastics. Any explanations as we go along would be great. This is such a great folder...Equestrian events, gymnastics and so much more. If anyone knows a good gymnastics forum that is beginner friendly, could you provide a link? thanks! Enjoy everyone!
I think the rule about 2/country is pretty recent, it only dates back to 2004.
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