[gymnAnemoe]

I don't know how well that will go over. I think most people have some desire to see their own grandchildren.

I should clarify on my former post. When I said that most people won't make the necessary and drastic changes necessary to change their environment until they associate more pain than pleasure to the current priorities, I was more saying that people won't change until the natural consequences will begin manifesting themselves (more birth defects due to contamination, less safe resources, etc). There will be a few people who make these changes beforehand, and that due to perspectives they take on.