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**drlifeech** · 09-01-2012, 12:48 PM

First of all we have to define who are the "Asians", as I am pretty sure that Minty is talking about East Asians (Chinese, Vietnamese, Thai...) except the Japanese, while you are talking about Indians (and not all of them are called Lakshmi Mittal).
It helps to know that most of the Indians, Bangladeshi or Pakistani living in Europe live in the UK, because of Britain's colonial past... In the Netherlands there are quite a lot of Indonesians (for the same reason). In France, most Asians are Vietnamese, Laotians (again, ex-colonies) and Chinese. In Belgium, they are mainly Chinese or Thai. In Germany, most of the Asians are Turks.

Err... East Asians are only Chinese, Mongolians, Japanese and Koreans. Thai, Laotians...etc are South East Asians...

In Belgium, I also rarely see East Asians dine out apart from the tourists, and they is an increasng number of Chinese tourists (but not so many Koreans it seems). Around the Grand Place of Brussels, there are even souvenir shops catering almost exclusively to this new wave of Chinese tourists, with Chinese staff and signs in Chinese ! My wife often gets "nihao" from restaurant staff in touristic areas, because Chinese tourists have now completely overtaken Japanese tourists in number.

Maybe we rarely see immigrant Chinese or Thais dine out because most of them own restaurants ! But many South East Asians and East Asians in Australia own restaurants too!

Seriously in Europe (besides UK) there is no such thing called business immigration (a very difficult to qualify kind of immigration, don't believe me you can read it from the immi.gov.au website) where as English speaking Western countries all seems to have. Except for those who married citizens here vast majority of the Asian immigrants here come from refugee backgrounds or illegal immigration backgrounds and they are indeed very poor.

As for "model minorities", I feel it is the Indians in the UK that have done the best among non-European immigrants in all Europe.
East Asians do not cause problems, and indeed make people happy because of the Chinese or Thai restaurants they open. The generation born in the country (a tiny number in Belgium) tends to integrate without much trouble, but many still stay in the family business (restaurant) without socialising much with the locals (outside school). France has more East Asian immigrants, and maybe because the Vietnamese and Laotians already spoke some French when they arrive, and did not intend to go back to their war-torn country when they came, most of them have really become true French citizens, with regular jobs and socialising with French people more than with other immigrants.
In any case, we can say that East Asian immigrants are perceived much more positively than Moroccan or Congolese immigrants. Few immigrants are seen as "very positive". East Europeans, Indians and East Asians receive fairly neutral feedback from locals, sometimes slightly negative, sometimes slightly positive, depending the the persons and their experiences. Black African immigrants are seen from slighlty to very negative depending again on the people. Moroccan immigrants are almost always and unconditionally seen as negative or very negative. At the last local elections 5 days ago, the anti-immigration far-right party still made big gains in Flanders (with majorities in a few municipalities), and I am convinced that this party wouldn't get a tenth of their votes had they never been immigrants from Morocco in Belgium, even if as many had come from, say East Asia, India or Eastern Europe. Well I am not sure about UK, I have heard of the Indians who receive pretty good reputations but I have also heard that the Chinese there are also very diligent.

In Australia in classes of Medicine in the University I went to, I heard from a reliable source, there were 1/3 of the students that are Chinese.

Considering Chinese is a minority in Australia and that medicine is a difficult degree, the Chinese community is doing relatively well. I have also heard praises from Aussies about overall East Asian's performances in mathematics in schools.

09-01-2012, 12:48 PM	#17
drlifeech Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 374 Senior Member	First of all we have to define who are the "Asians", as I am pretty sure that Minty is talking about East Asians (Chinese, Vietnamese, Thai...) except the Japanese, while you are talking about Indians (and not all of them are called Lakshmi Mittal). It helps to know that most of the Indians, Bangladeshi or Pakistani living in Europe live in the UK, because of Britain's colonial past... In the Netherlands there are quite a lot of Indonesians (for the same reason). In France, most Asians are Vietnamese, Laotians (again, ex-colonies) and Chinese. In Belgium, they are mainly Chinese or Thai. In Germany, most of the Asians are Turks. Err... East Asians are only Chinese, Mongolians, Japanese and Koreans. Thai, Laotians...etc are South East Asians... In Belgium, I also rarely see East Asians dine out apart from the tourists, and they is an increasng number of Chinese tourists (but not so many Koreans it seems). Around the Grand Place of Brussels, there are even souvenir shops catering almost exclusively to this new wave of Chinese tourists, with Chinese staff and signs in Chinese ! My wife often gets "nihao" from restaurant staff in touristic areas, because Chinese tourists have now completely overtaken Japanese tourists in number. Maybe we rarely see immigrant Chinese or Thais dine out because most of them own restaurants ! But many South East Asians and East Asians in Australia own restaurants too! Seriously in Europe (besides UK) there is no such thing called business immigration (a very difficult to qualify kind of immigration, don't believe me you can read it from the immi.gov.au website) where as English speaking Western countries all seems to have. Except for those who married citizens here vast majority of the Asian immigrants here come from refugee backgrounds or illegal immigration backgrounds and they are indeed very poor. As for "model minorities", I feel it is the Indians in the UK that have done the best among non-European immigrants in all Europe. East Asians do not cause problems, and indeed make people happy because of the Chinese or Thai restaurants they open. The generation born in the country (a tiny number in Belgium) tends to integrate without much trouble, but many still stay in the family business (restaurant) without socialising much with the locals (outside school). France has more East Asian immigrants, and maybe because the Vietnamese and Laotians already spoke some French when they arrive, and did not intend to go back to their war-torn country when they came, most of them have really become true French citizens, with regular jobs and socialising with French people more than with other immigrants. In any case, we can say that East Asian immigrants are perceived much more positively than Moroccan or Congolese immigrants. Few immigrants are seen as "very positive". East Europeans, Indians and East Asians receive fairly neutral feedback from locals, sometimes slightly negative, sometimes slightly positive, depending the the persons and their experiences. Black African immigrants are seen from slighlty to very negative depending again on the people. Moroccan immigrants are almost always and unconditionally seen as negative or very negative. At the last local elections 5 days ago, the anti-immigration far-right party still made big gains in Flanders (with majorities in a few municipalities), and I am convinced that this party wouldn't get a tenth of their votes had they never been immigrants from Morocco in Belgium, even if as many had come from, say East Asia, India or Eastern Europe. Well I am not sure about UK, I have heard of the Indians who receive pretty good reputations but I have also heard that the Chinese there are also very diligent. In Australia in classes of Medicine in the University I went to, I heard from a reliable source, there were 1/3 of the students that are Chinese. Considering Chinese is a minority in Australia and that medicine is a difficult degree, the Chinese community is doing relatively well. I have also heard praises from Aussies about overall East Asian's performances in mathematics in schools.
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