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**9rCR9hWL** · 09-01-2012, 12:47 PM

Here is an example of free will:

2+2=4 answer 4 is not free will, 4 is dictated by logic/physics of universe/environment

2+2=63 I could have picked any number to infinity, but by my free will I Picked 63

I have to argue with my last point above. I gave a numeric answer to 2+2=equation, which denotes mathematical constraints of my answer. Of course any limitation will affect our choices, therefore encroach on our free will,rendering it not free completely.
To be totally free we have to go beyond mathematics.

Ask me 2+2 and I sing a song in response. Ask me 2+2 and I will ignore you with no answer.
Now this is a true free will. 100% certified.

What would be example of 100% lack of free will?

1. We choose something that we can't control.
I decided to stop my heart for 5 minutes.
I made a choice but there is no action.

2. Someone chooses for us and we follow without thinking.
Mother tells you to eat sandwich, and you eat.
There is an action without considering a choice.

I think the last one will be the opposite. It's very robotic, computer like,it's told to do and never refuses.

09-01-2012, 12:47 PM	#11
9rCR9hWL Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 382 Senior Member	Here is an example of free will: 2+2=4 answer 4 is not free will, 4 is dictated by logic/physics of universe/environment 2+2=63 I could have picked any number to infinity, but by my free will I Picked 63 I have to argue with my last point above. I gave a numeric answer to 2+2=equation, which denotes mathematical constraints of my answer. Of course any limitation will affect our choices, therefore encroach on our free will,rendering it not free completely. To be totally free we have to go beyond mathematics. Ask me 2+2 and I sing a song in response. Ask me 2+2 and I will ignore you with no answer. Now this is a true free will. 100% certified. What would be example of 100% lack of free will? 1. We choose something that we can't control. I decided to stop my heart for 5 minutes. I made a choice but there is no action. 2. Someone chooses for us and we follow without thinking. Mother tells you to eat sandwich, and you eat. There is an action without considering a choice. I think the last one will be the opposite. It's very robotic, computer like,it's told to do and never refuses.
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