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**Auzuigcx** · 09-01-2012, 12:48 PM

Continuing the thought.
The rest of our choices fall into a spectrum between 100% free will to 100% lacking it. Big majority of our choices is not black and white, it's a mixture of external/internal forcing mixed with our dilemma of choosing.

Consider this:
Nature, in form of hunger, forces you to eat (no choice). You automatically agree to eat, but decided to finish something first and eat in an hour (semi free choice). In an hour you go to the fridge to eat food (forced). In the fridge you see and apple and piece of chicken, and you decided to go for chicken (free will).

I looked through some more examples and found some commonalities.
We don't have a choice in most important part of our existence. Eating and what food to put in your mouth, sexual excitement, breathing, damage to once body, social behavior, etc. If you go against nature you will feel pain, if you do it right (the way nature intended) you are rewarded with pleasure. Our evolutionary ways, the ones that passed the test, are so strong that not much is left to choose, think about and let free will decide.

The more free will in our choosing, the more inconsequential the dilemma is.
You don't consider "to eat or not to eat" for a month, do you? If this is left to free will, and free will decides not to eat, the consequences are fatal. Nature found a way around it punishing you with stomach pain if you are stupid enough to think about this to long. Even trimming some food from our diet is painful and not easy choice to make, though everybody around plus science tells you that it's good for you.

Analyzing this example and similar ones, one can conclude that free will long time ago (500 million, inception of nervous systems), was so rampant and not working very well, that nature found a better way showing living creatures what choice is the best. Nature implemented feelings and instincts, in form of pain and pleasure, one of the biggest invention in nature to protect you, and you, and you from choices of your free will.

In the past, our ancestors had fewer free choices to make. If you were born farmer, you grew up to be a farmer, got arranged marriage, had as many kids as god willed, worked hard every day without vacation, and died in same village. Life full of choices, lol.
Today's world is a new experience for human kind and happened so sudden that nature can't guide us anymore the right way.
We eat too much, we don't know what carrier to choose, waste time trying to find the perfect spouse, choosing not to make kids,
playing computer games all day instead, and taxing mindlessly about nothing.

I hate to conclude this way, but isn't free will overrated and rather something to fear, like a knife in hands of a crazy drunk?

09-01-2012, 12:48 PM	#12
Auzuigcx Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 478 Senior Member	Continuing the thought. The rest of our choices fall into a spectrum between 100% free will to 100% lacking it. Big majority of our choices is not black and white, it's a mixture of external/internal forcing mixed with our dilemma of choosing. Consider this: Nature, in form of hunger, forces you to eat (no choice). You automatically agree to eat, but decided to finish something first and eat in an hour (semi free choice). In an hour you go to the fridge to eat food (forced). In the fridge you see and apple and piece of chicken, and you decided to go for chicken (free will). I looked through some more examples and found some commonalities. We don't have a choice in most important part of our existence. Eating and what food to put in your mouth, sexual excitement, breathing, damage to once body, social behavior, etc. If you go against nature you will feel pain, if you do it right (the way nature intended) you are rewarded with pleasure. Our evolutionary ways, the ones that passed the test, are so strong that not much is left to choose, think about and let free will decide. The more free will in our choosing, the more inconsequential the dilemma is. You don't consider "to eat or not to eat" for a month, do you? If this is left to free will, and free will decides not to eat, the consequences are fatal. Nature found a way around it punishing you with stomach pain if you are stupid enough to think about this to long. Even trimming some food from our diet is painful and not easy choice to make, though everybody around plus science tells you that it's good for you. Analyzing this example and similar ones, one can conclude that free will long time ago (500 million, inception of nervous systems), was so rampant and not working very well, that nature found a better way showing living creatures what choice is the best. Nature implemented feelings and instincts, in form of pain and pleasure, one of the biggest invention in nature to protect you, and you, and you from choices of your free will. In the past, our ancestors had fewer free choices to make. If you were born farmer, you grew up to be a farmer, got arranged marriage, had as many kids as god willed, worked hard every day without vacation, and died in same village. Life full of choices, lol. Today's world is a new experience for human kind and happened so sudden that nature can't guide us anymore the right way. We eat too much, we don't know what carrier to choose, waste time trying to find the perfect spouse, choosing not to make kids, playing computer games all day instead, and taxing mindlessly about nothing. I hate to conclude this way, but isn't free will overrated and rather something to fear, like a knife in hands of a crazy drunk?
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