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**Gymnfacymoota** · 10-27-2011, 07:30 PM

By "technically" you mean those exact words are not in it. The concept is clearly established in the Constitution as Thomas Jefferson noted.

Just for fun...here are some other little things that are NOT in the Constitution...does this also mean they do not exist in the the US?

Innocent until Proven Guilty
The Right to a Fair Trial
The Right to Remain Silent
The Right to have Legal Counsel appointed if you can not afford one
Right to a Jury of Your Peers
The Right to Vote
The Right to Judicial Review
The Right to Marriage
The Right to Privacy
The Right to a Free and Appropriate Public Education.

Wow...this is awesome...if we look only for specific words in the Constitution, and dismiss the entire history of Supreme Court decisions as "meh, people make mistakes" we can throw almost ALL our rights.

Well these are all the things not in the Constitution:

•The Air Force
•Congressional Districts
•The Electoral College
•Executive Order
•Executive Privilege
•Freedom of Expression
•(Absolute) Freedom of Speech and Press
•"From each according to his ability..."
•God
•Immigration
•Impeachment means removal from office
•Innocent until proven guilty
•It's a free country
•Judicial Review
•Jury of Peers
•"Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"
•Marriage
•Martial Law
•No taxation without representation
•Number of Justices in the Supreme Court
•"Of the people, by the people, for the people"
•Paper Money
•Political Parties
•Primary Elections
•Qualifications for Judges
•The right to privacy
•The right to travel
•The right to vote
•The separation of church and state
•The Separation of Powers Clause
•Slavery
•"We hold these truths to be self-evident"
•Other topics

From this link: http://www.usconstitution.net/constnot.html

Some of those things are addressed in the Constitution but not word for word. Right to vote is addressed but it's up to the states - as long as it doesn't go against the Constitution. So someone can't be denied the ability to vote due to their race but states deny felons or those mentally incompetent - because that's not in the Constitution.

Just because people have misinterpreted the Constitution doesn't mean it's a right. Technically we don't have a right to privacy or marriage or any of the things listed. The only way the Air Force is Constitutional is because it started out as part of the Army and obviously due to the fact that airplanes weren't around when the Constitution was framed. That's why the Constitution was crafted the way it is as well - in order to add amendments because the FF knew that technology and times would change.

But separation of church and state - I guarantee you that if the FF showed up today (after overcoming the shock of seeing America still in existence and the technologies) they would smack our politicians in the face and tell people to stop being so damn literal. They never intended for religion to be wiped out of existence in America or they would've put it in the Constitution. People forget one reason a lot of people came here was to escape religious persecution.

I don't understand what the big deal is if religion isn't being forced on you. Listening to a prayer will not harm you in any way. No one tells you to participate in it, no one tells you that you'll be punished if you don't bow your head. If they do, then that's when you complain. But if I hear the name "Jesus" or "god" I don't go into an epileptic fit or something. They're just names. If you don't believe in them, great. But that doesn't mean you can deny other people from believing in a higher power. That is what irritates me. Atheists or non-believers want the ability to not believe and get mad if someone allegedly infringes on their rights but yet they turn around and do the same thing to people who do believe in a religion. It's not a one way street. Again respect is a two way street.

10-27-2011, 07:30 PM	#7
Gymnfacymoota Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 470 Senior Member	By "technically" you mean those exact words are not in it. The concept is clearly established in the Constitution as Thomas Jefferson noted. Just for fun...here are some other little things that are NOT in the Constitution...does this also mean they do not exist in the the US? Innocent until Proven Guilty The Right to a Fair Trial The Right to Remain Silent The Right to have Legal Counsel appointed if you can not afford one Right to a Jury of Your Peers The Right to Vote The Right to Judicial Review The Right to Marriage The Right to Privacy The Right to a Free and Appropriate Public Education. Wow...this is awesome...if we look only for specific words in the Constitution, and dismiss the entire history of Supreme Court decisions as "meh, people make mistakes" we can throw almost ALL our rights. Well these are all the things not in the Constitution: •The Air Force •Congressional Districts •The Electoral College •Executive Order •Executive Privilege •Freedom of Expression •(Absolute) Freedom of Speech and Press •"From each according to his ability..." •God •Immigration •Impeachment means removal from office •Innocent until proven guilty •It's a free country •Judicial Review •Jury of Peers •"Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" •Marriage •Martial Law •No taxation without representation •Number of Justices in the Supreme Court •"Of the people, by the people, for the people" •Paper Money •Political Parties •Primary Elections •Qualifications for Judges •The right to privacy •The right to travel •The right to vote •The separation of church and state •The Separation of Powers Clause •Slavery •"We hold these truths to be self-evident" •Other topics From this link: http://www.usconstitution.net/constnot.html Some of those things are addressed in the Constitution but not word for word. Right to vote is addressed but it's up to the states - as long as it doesn't go against the Constitution. So someone can't be denied the ability to vote due to their race but states deny felons or those mentally incompetent - because that's not in the Constitution. Just because people have misinterpreted the Constitution doesn't mean it's a right. Technically we don't have a right to privacy or marriage or any of the things listed. The only way the Air Force is Constitutional is because it started out as part of the Army and obviously due to the fact that airplanes weren't around when the Constitution was framed. That's why the Constitution was crafted the way it is as well - in order to add amendments because the FF knew that technology and times would change. But separation of church and state - I guarantee you that if the FF showed up today (after overcoming the shock of seeing America still in existence and the technologies) they would smack our politicians in the face and tell people to stop being so damn literal. They never intended for religion to be wiped out of existence in America or they would've put it in the Constitution. People forget one reason a lot of people came here was to escape religious persecution. I don't understand what the big deal is if religion isn't being forced on you. Listening to a prayer will not harm you in any way. No one tells you to participate in it, no one tells you that you'll be punished if you don't bow your head. If they do, then that's when you complain. But if I hear the name "Jesus" or "god" I don't go into an epileptic fit or something. They're just names. If you don't believe in them, great. But that doesn't mean you can deny other people from believing in a higher power. That is what irritates me. Atheists or non-believers want the ability to not believe and get mad if someone allegedly infringes on their rights but yet they turn around and do the same thing to people who do believe in a religion. It's not a one way street. Again respect is a two way street.
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