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**Snweyuag** · 06-20-2012, 06:57 PM

3) Devil in the details... well, that's a legitimate concern for ANY new legislation. If I see a detail that's troubling, I'll show concern then. But opposing a bill just because there might be an unspecified detail somewhere that I don't like, well, that's not a particularly strong case against it.

The point is, it's not a bill, it's an Executive Order, and from what I can tell, it's one that has the potential to massively exacerbate the very problems you just described.

Look at it this way, for-profit colleges are probably the closest things to "small businesses" in the world of academia. Massive universitities with over 30,000 students annually can probably afford to be a bit more "bloated" in the way they adminster their operations because they've got a pretty massive backing from the government and established reputations already and may have little difficulty being compliant with this 90/10 regulation just from the massive number of students paying tuition.

The for-profit institutions have a compulsion to be a bit "leaner" because it is necessary for survival in a competitive market (academia is extremely competitive, in case anyone hasn't noticed.)

What you read in the article seems very much like a surface description to me. It may in fact be no more complex then a complaints mechanism and simple enforcement mechanism, my gut tells me otherwise.

But back to the issue of being an Executive Order, has this concept even been floated into Congress? Some of these elements seem to be pretty common sense stuff, why automatically assume it would get lost in the process? When it's attached to an EO, it goes into the books as something the President has done, something self-serving. What about the specific details formulated in this EO are so controversial that it cannot be run through the legislative process? This is why I am skeptical, I don't even necessarily oppose some of the conceptual details, but the lack of appropriate vetting is a massive concern for me.

06-20-2012, 06:57 PM	#14
Snweyuag Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 498 Senior Member	3) Devil in the details... well, that's a legitimate concern for ANY new legislation. If I see a detail that's troubling, I'll show concern then. But opposing a bill just because there might be an unspecified detail somewhere that I don't like, well, that's not a particularly strong case against it. The point is, it's not a bill, it's an Executive Order, and from what I can tell, it's one that has the potential to massively exacerbate the very problems you just described. Look at it this way, for-profit colleges are probably the closest things to "small businesses" in the world of academia. Massive universitities with over 30,000 students annually can probably afford to be a bit more "bloated" in the way they adminster their operations because they've got a pretty massive backing from the government and established reputations already and may have little difficulty being compliant with this 90/10 regulation just from the massive number of students paying tuition. The for-profit institutions have a compulsion to be a bit "leaner" because it is necessary for survival in a competitive market (academia is extremely competitive, in case anyone hasn't noticed.) What you read in the article seems very much like a surface description to me. It may in fact be no more complex then a complaints mechanism and simple enforcement mechanism, my gut tells me otherwise. But back to the issue of being an Executive Order, has this concept even been floated into Congress? Some of these elements seem to be pretty common sense stuff, why automatically assume it would get lost in the process? When it's attached to an EO, it goes into the books as something the President has done, something self-serving. What about the specific details formulated in this EO are so controversial that it cannot be run through the legislative process? This is why I am skeptical, I don't even necessarily oppose some of the conceptual details, but the lack of appropriate vetting is a massive concern for me.
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