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**JonDopl** · 06-20-2012, 07:19 PM

The point is, it's not a bill, it's an Executive Order, and from what I can tell, it's one that has the potential to massively exacerbate the very problems you just described.

Look at it this way, for-profit colleges are probably the closest things to "small businesses" in the world of academia. Massive universitities with over 30,000 students annually can probably afford to be a bit more "bloated" in the way they adminster their operations because they've got a pretty massive backing from the government and established reputations already and may have little difficulty being compliant with this 90/10 regulation just from the massive number of students paying tuition.

The for-profit institutions have a compulsion to be a bit "leaner" because it is necessary for survival in a competitive market (academia is extremely competitive, in case anyone hasn't noticed.)

What you read in the article seems very much like a surface description to me. It may in fact be no more complex then a complaints mechanism and simple enforcement mechanism, my gut tells me otherwise.

But back to the issue of being an Executive Order, has this concept even been floated into Congress? Some of these elements seem to be pretty common sense stuff, why automatically assume it would get lost in the process? When it's attached to an EO, it goes into the books as something the President has done, something self-serving. What about the specific details formulated in this EO are so controversial that it cannot be run through the legislative process? This is why I am skeptical, I don't even necessarily oppose some of the conceptual details, but the lack of appropriate vetting is a massive concern for me.

1) Well again, if there's a problem this somehow exaberates, I would like to know what that is before I worry about it. You're right that right now all we have is an on the surface description, but the aims and goals of the thing seem pretty solid.

2) Whether or not a school is for-profit has nothing to do with size. A school can be for-profit and have hundreds of thousands of students across the country. Even a small one raking in 20 million in revenue a year would hardly be a "small business". Any kind of college isn't going to be a Mom and Pop's bar 'n' grill, its still a large organization with the possibility of waste and corruption.

3) Why he made it an EO instead of floating it to Congress -well it is a pertinent issue affecting millions of veterans, and if we take the argument of him serving as "commander in chief" to its logical conclusion, he does have an indirect responsibility to ensure to the best of his ability that his "command" doesn't get screwed over after separation. Though you're right this is no doubt self serving - but we can say that about almost anything any politician does.

Bobo is desperate. I hope he finds a nice home in Chicago. Maybe his snake cos can help. He was a bad experiment. But at least America got the Negro monkey off it's back. I go out drinking with a few scots and aussies and they're always sortof shocked America voted for a black.

And they always wind up saying what a bad idea it was just to get the monkey off your back. I can't disagree.

Wow, and I got banned for calling someone a "moron"!!!

06-20-2012, 07:19 PM	#16
JonDopl Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 446 Senior Member	The point is, it's not a bill, it's an Executive Order, and from what I can tell, it's one that has the potential to massively exacerbate the very problems you just described. Look at it this way, for-profit colleges are probably the closest things to "small businesses" in the world of academia. Massive universitities with over 30,000 students annually can probably afford to be a bit more "bloated" in the way they adminster their operations because they've got a pretty massive backing from the government and established reputations already and may have little difficulty being compliant with this 90/10 regulation just from the massive number of students paying tuition. The for-profit institutions have a compulsion to be a bit "leaner" because it is necessary for survival in a competitive market (academia is extremely competitive, in case anyone hasn't noticed.) What you read in the article seems very much like a surface description to me. It may in fact be no more complex then a complaints mechanism and simple enforcement mechanism, my gut tells me otherwise. But back to the issue of being an Executive Order, has this concept even been floated into Congress? Some of these elements seem to be pretty common sense stuff, why automatically assume it would get lost in the process? When it's attached to an EO, it goes into the books as something the President has done, something self-serving. What about the specific details formulated in this EO are so controversial that it cannot be run through the legislative process? This is why I am skeptical, I don't even necessarily oppose some of the conceptual details, but the lack of appropriate vetting is a massive concern for me. 1) Well again, if there's a problem this somehow exaberates, I would like to know what that is before I worry about it. You're right that right now all we have is an on the surface description, but the aims and goals of the thing seem pretty solid. 2) Whether or not a school is for-profit has nothing to do with size. A school can be for-profit and have hundreds of thousands of students across the country. Even a small one raking in 20 million in revenue a year would hardly be a "small business". Any kind of college isn't going to be a Mom and Pop's bar 'n' grill, its still a large organization with the possibility of waste and corruption. 3) Why he made it an EO instead of floating it to Congress -well it is a pertinent issue affecting millions of veterans, and if we take the argument of him serving as "commander in chief" to its logical conclusion, he does have an indirect responsibility to ensure to the best of his ability that his "command" doesn't get screwed over after separation. Though you're right this is no doubt self serving - but we can say that about almost anything any politician does. Bobo is desperate. I hope he finds a nice home in Chicago. Maybe his snake cos can help. He was a bad experiment. But at least America got the Negro monkey off it's back. I go out drinking with a few scots and aussies and they're always sortof shocked America voted for a black. And they always wind up saying what a bad idea it was just to get the monkey off your back. I can't disagree. Wow, and I got banned for calling someone a "moron"!!!
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