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**nvideoe** · 11-21-2011, 01:42 AM

Okay, I’m confused. In the summary of his views that I read (Wikipedia), it is stated that: “Without consciousness, ‘matter’ dwells in an undetermined state of probability. Any universe that could have preceded consciousness only existed in a probability state.” (This is in accordance with various interpretations of quantum mechanics and is nothing new.)

But then you seem to be saying that he argues that life is central. But life is material. There seems to be a contradiction here. How can material life be central when without consciousness it is a mere probability and does not have actual existence? Which is he arguing is primal: consciousness or life?

Thanks.

Many quantum experiments prove that stuff/matter exist only in a state of probability. for example, wave functions are an expression of the probability of where a particle may be. It is is only frozen in place when it is observed... This guy argues that the only observation that matters is that made by a biological being. What makes a biological being different from matter is that it has a consciousness, and we can all agree that consciousnes is not matter.

11-21-2011, 01:42 AM	#26
nvideoe Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 489 Senior Member	Okay, I’m confused. In the summary of his views that I read (Wikipedia), it is stated that: “Without consciousness, ‘matter’ dwells in an undetermined state of probability. Any universe that could have preceded consciousness only existed in a probability state.” (This is in accordance with various interpretations of quantum mechanics and is nothing new.) But then you seem to be saying that he argues that life is central. But life is material. There seems to be a contradiction here. How can material life be central when without consciousness it is a mere probability and does not have actual existence? Which is he arguing is primal: consciousness or life? Thanks. Many quantum experiments prove that stuff/matter exist only in a state of probability. for example, wave functions are an expression of the probability of where a particle may be. It is is only frozen in place when it is observed... This guy argues that the only observation that matters is that made by a biological being. What makes a biological being different from matter is that it has a consciousness, and we can all agree that consciousnes is not matter.
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