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**gundas** · 11-21-2011, 07:30 PM

Thank you for the response, but you still haven’t answered my chicken or egg type question. Which is an epiphenomenon of the other, consciousness or matter? You state that Dr. Lanza believes that nothing is actualized into the material world until a measurement (observation) is made by a biological entity. Does this imply that matter (in the form of a biological brain) is primal? If matter only exists in a probabilty state until observed, then how can a biological entity preexist itself in order to make said observation?

Thank you.

Observing a particle freezes the particle for the consciousness- it is no longer a particle of possibilities. That is not the same as actualizing it into the material world. It's always been in the material world, but exactly where only happens when it is observed (by a consciousness).

There are many experiments that prove a particle can be anywhere and everywhere at any one moment in time. It is only frozen in place once it is observed. Light is a particle AND a wave- That is high school physics. The how is understood, but not the why. Lanza thinks the why depends on conciousness, which is why he labels his theory Biocentrism.

I think he is saying they are symbiotic. Thinking that one came before the other is meaningless because "time" does not exist in physics. Time only exists in our brain to help us make sense of the world. He points out that "time" is relevant to only one Physics equation/theory: Entropy. No other fundamental equation includes space or time.

Look at E=mc2. Neither time nor space show up as a function, even though people use it all the time to talk about time travel.

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gundas Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 488 Senior Member	Thank you for the response, but you still haven’t answered my chicken or egg type question. Which is an epiphenomenon of the other, consciousness or matter? You state that Dr. Lanza believes that nothing is actualized into the material world until a measurement (observation) is made by a biological entity. Does this imply that matter (in the form of a biological brain) is primal? If matter only exists in a probabilty state until observed, then how can a biological entity preexist itself in order to make said observation? Thank you. Observing a particle freezes the particle for the consciousness- it is no longer a particle of possibilities. That is not the same as actualizing it into the material world. It's always been in the material world, but exactly where only happens when it is observed (by a consciousness). There are many experiments that prove a particle can be anywhere and everywhere at any one moment in time. It is only frozen in place once it is observed. Light is a particle AND a wave- That is high school physics. The how is understood, but not the why. Lanza thinks the why depends on conciousness, which is why he labels his theory Biocentrism. I think he is saying they are symbiotic. Thinking that one came before the other is meaningless because "time" does not exist in physics. Time only exists in our brain to help us make sense of the world. He points out that "time" is relevant to only one Physics equation/theory: Entropy. No other fundamental equation includes space or time. Look at E=mc2. Neither time nor space show up as a function, even though people use it all the time to talk about time travel.
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