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This one's simple, with a little background. Humber had just been caught lying, though I can't remember which specific lie it was. He had apparently been talking the forum (back on PB) up among fellow creationists, and my even have had some of his parishioners following along.

For whatever reason, he seemed particularly stung and embarrassed by the proof that he had lied. He began trying anything that he could to change the subject, but the forum members (including Seanibus, MichaelTree, devilspocket and myself) wouldn't let him off the hook.

The actual question was "Why does Humber feel that it's OK for him to lie." Humber tried to blunt the force of the question by asking why, in general terms it is wrong for anyone to lie, hoping us all to allow that "it's wrong because God says it's wrong." (I guess at that point we were all supposed to fall to our knees and ask Humber's forgiveness, as though we were math students late to class, and acknowledge Humber as a superior intellect and teacher.)

Of course it didn't quite work out that way. Instead, the consensus seemed to be that it's wrong to lie because it is disrespectful to the people whom you're lying to. Humber simply does not want to admit that the quote is up there on my sig because he had been caught lying, and refused to apologize to the forum for lying.

He was, and evidently still is, livid about the signature. He complained incessantly to the then forum moderator about it, and I was told that he even complained to upper management at PB about it. I have heard that some of them had concerns about his relationship with the truth, and were not interested in becoming involved.

Old City Tans, you may rest assured that there is nothing wrong with your avatar (or "picture" as Humber calls it). He refuses to answer you because you are asking questions that he cannot answer. He sees himself as a mover and shaker in the creationist community. It is easier for him to work himself up into a state of righteous indignation over some manufactured "issue," and to claim that he is not answering you because of that, than it is to appear not to have the answers. Because, I guess, there's always another creationist ready to step on you to get themselves to the top of that pile.

He starts ignoring me when I get to close to the real issues. I think that this time, the posts about the contradictions in the Bible, and how they "prove evolution," and the post about the bears, whales and seals pushed him over the edge