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**theatadug** · 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM

wa'alaykumussalaam

Question 1: Are all 20 chickens said to be halal by virtue of an analogy that the machine in operation was operated by the Muslim (or kitabi). Like your example of an electric knife in the hand of the slaughterman. For example, if i line up 5 chickens on the ground, and have a muslim hold all five ready to be cut, and my electric knife is long enough to reach all five in 1 stroke are they all halal?

I don't know.

Question 2: Are the Shafi'i 'Ulama of today accepting of the present day kitabis as being the ahl kitab although it is beyond doubt that by our aqida they are absolutely practicing shirk? See this post: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...21&postcount=2

Question 3: Does every chicken need to be indivdually inspected to see that all the veins necessary to be cut must be cut? Yes, you must be certain that the proper tubes are cut (although it is not necessary to cut any veins). This is because the Asl (default ruling) for meat is that it is haram. You may not consider it to be halal unless you KNOW that the rules of slaughter/hunting have been properly carried out upon a halal animal. This knowledge can come from witnessing the act yourself, or from being told by a knowlegdable, trustworthy person (in a chain of knowledgable, trustworthy people that includes a witness of the act).

Lastly, i realise this is an issue of fatwa and not whims and fancies - but there's "A" grade chicken (hand slaughtered, no doubts involved) "C" grade chicken (machine slaughtered chicken that just passes according to some, but enters into valid disputes - the dodgy grey). See the above answer. Meat is haram unless you KNOW FOR CERTAIN that it is halal. If you doubt that it's halal, then it's actually haram to eat.

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theatadug Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 485 Senior Member	wa'alaykumussalaam Question 1: Are all 20 chickens said to be halal by virtue of an analogy that the machine in operation was operated by the Muslim (or kitabi). Like your example of an electric knife in the hand of the slaughterman. For example, if i line up 5 chickens on the ground, and have a muslim hold all five ready to be cut, and my electric knife is long enough to reach all five in 1 stroke are they all halal? I don't know. Question 2: Are the Shafi'i 'Ulama of today accepting of the present day kitabis as being the ahl kitab although it is beyond doubt that by our aqida they are absolutely practicing shirk? See this post: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...21&postcount=2 Question 3: Does every chicken need to be indivdually inspected to see that all the veins necessary to be cut must be cut? Yes, you must be certain that the proper tubes are cut (although it is not necessary to cut any veins). This is because the Asl (default ruling) for meat is that it is haram. You may not consider it to be halal unless you KNOW that the rules of slaughter/hunting have been properly carried out upon a halal animal. This knowledge can come from witnessing the act yourself, or from being told by a knowlegdable, trustworthy person (in a chain of knowledgable, trustworthy people that includes a witness of the act). Lastly, i realise this is an issue of fatwa and not whims and fancies - but there's "A" grade chicken (hand slaughtered, no doubts involved) "C" grade chicken (machine slaughtered chicken that just passes according to some, but enters into valid disputes - the dodgy grey). See the above answer. Meat is haram unless you KNOW FOR CERTAIN that it is halal. If you doubt that it's halal, then it's actually haram to eat.
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