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**deermealec** · 09-04-2012, 12:22 AM

If this is true,

than the message that is being propagated is erroneous.

For what is being rejected is Tradition and continuity of naql/transmission. What is being rejected is Taqlid and this can open a flood gate for Bidda's.

Who or what is stop people from making bayat to one sheikh one month and another sheikh-the following month.

Who or what is to say that a particular Alim re-interprets certain islamic practices and deems them unfit for today's age. i.e. the law of inheritance, hudood ordinaces etc.

Rejection of tradition and tariqa is just what modernity wants. A world wherein individualism is promoted and adab, spiritual hierarchy and tradition are negated.

Remember that I only related what I heard from one person, who I met over seven years ago: take it with a pinch of salt.

I agree with the above, but it seems to me that there is some Divine Wisdom in the influence Hamza Yusuf is having.

For even if Shaykh Hamza is not in favour of people joining tariqas now, he does not consider them bid'a or kufr or shirk, as some sectors of our community do. He does think tasawwuf is a fundamental Islamic science, and he promotes the work of its great masters, including those who were members of tariqas. Moreoever, his own lack of association with a tariqa makes it easy for Salafis to relate to him (they often freak out when they hear of the very idea of a tariqa).

So I think that Shaykh Hamza's views are helping him act as a bridge between different sectors of the community. And many people who are in tariqas got there because of him.

At the end of the day, we can disagree with Shaykh Hamza, but we should not take a big stand against him. Shaykh Hamza is NOT launching a war against the tariqas, nor is he making his views about them a central stand of his teaching. He is not in any way hostile to the tariqas, he just has an opinion about their usefulness in our time. It's an odd opinion, but that is about it.

The tariqas seem to be benefitting from Shaykh Hamza's work.

09-04-2012, 12:22 AM	#34
deermealec Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 507 Senior Member	If this is true, than the message that is being propagated is erroneous. For what is being rejected is Tradition and continuity of naql/transmission. What is being rejected is Taqlid and this can open a flood gate for Bidda's. Who or what is stop people from making bayat to one sheikh one month and another sheikh-the following month. Who or what is to say that a particular Alim re-interprets certain islamic practices and deems them unfit for today's age. i.e. the law of inheritance, hudood ordinaces etc. Rejection of tradition and tariqa is just what modernity wants. A world wherein individualism is promoted and adab, spiritual hierarchy and tradition are negated. Remember that I only related what I heard from one person, who I met over seven years ago: take it with a pinch of salt. I agree with the above, but it seems to me that there is some Divine Wisdom in the influence Hamza Yusuf is having. For even if Shaykh Hamza is not in favour of people joining tariqas now, he does not consider them bid'a or kufr or shirk, as some sectors of our community do. He does think tasawwuf is a fundamental Islamic science, and he promotes the work of its great masters, including those who were members of tariqas. Moreoever, his own lack of association with a tariqa makes it easy for Salafis to relate to him (they often freak out when they hear of the very idea of a tariqa). So I think that Shaykh Hamza's views are helping him act as a bridge between different sectors of the community. And many people who are in tariqas got there because of him. At the end of the day, we can disagree with Shaykh Hamza, but we should not take a big stand against him. Shaykh Hamza is NOT launching a war against the tariqas, nor is he making his views about them a central stand of his teaching. He is not in any way hostile to the tariqas, he just has an opinion about their usefulness in our time. It's an odd opinion, but that is about it. The tariqas seem to be benefitting from Shaykh Hamza's work.
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