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**Poreponko** · 09-03-2012, 11:22 PM

there are actually very few things that are common between najdis of 18th century and different salafis now. its not as though the teachings were modified over time in different places because in some movements there is no evidence of najdism of ibn abdul wahhab being an influence. salafism, as is generally understood today, has been present before the time of ibn abdul wahhab actually. then as pir baba said there are many many lies fed about them by bidatis.

i recently had a talk with some very angry malikis who were trying to prove salafis (as a whole) were khawarij. in the end all they managed to prove was that current saudi rulers and their supporters were khawarij. while the libyan salafis they were saying were khawarij would actually made takfeer of the people they proved as khawarij. yet they insisted on branding 'salafis' as khawarij. it is basically the error of thinking the entire salafi community is like the ones in our neighborhood.

Not really. Wahhabis simply evolved into several splinter groups. Some groups of anti-state wahhabis still consider the early hardcore takfiri najdies as the right ones while the third Saudi state as deviated from the early najdism. Some instead follow the watered down taqiyya-takfirism of third Saudi State funded through oil. Some follow the wahhabism that got mixed with political takfirsm of Sayyid Qutb and Mawdudi, when MB took refuge in Saudi. Some Wahhabis follow the wahhabism that mixes with la madhabism of Rashid Rida, Abduh, al-afghani, etc modernist revisionist wahabism now passed on through Ibn baz and Albani. And then further modern day splinter cults like sahwis, madhkalis and hundreds more. Their essence is all the same with minor changes here and there. Just like the khawarij of the past were divided into several ggroups each formulating their takfiri argument in slight modified patterns, some more extreme than the other. Similarily the consequnces of their takfir and the methodology to treat the Muslims whom they put takfir upon or accused guilt upon, were treated in different ways by each khawarij group of the past, as do the Wahhabism of today. The diversity among the khawarij did not make the khawarij not be khawarij anymore. And the diversity among Wahhabsim does not negate Wahhabism from being the khawarij. They always are, as the pious scholars of the past and present all declared the wahhabi movement to be.

Hope your maliki friends rise up and get rid of their cancer of wahhabism before it wrecks their society.

09-03-2012, 11:22 PM	#34
Poreponko Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 486 Senior Member	there are actually very few things that are common between najdis of 18th century and different salafis now. its not as though the teachings were modified over time in different places because in some movements there is no evidence of najdism of ibn abdul wahhab being an influence. salafism, as is generally understood today, has been present before the time of ibn abdul wahhab actually. then as pir baba said there are many many lies fed about them by bidatis. i recently had a talk with some very angry malikis who were trying to prove salafis (as a whole) were khawarij. in the end all they managed to prove was that current saudi rulers and their supporters were khawarij. while the libyan salafis they were saying were khawarij would actually made takfeer of the people they proved as khawarij. yet they insisted on branding 'salafis' as khawarij. it is basically the error of thinking the entire salafi community is like the ones in our neighborhood. Not really. Wahhabis simply evolved into several splinter groups. Some groups of anti-state wahhabis still consider the early hardcore takfiri najdies as the right ones while the third Saudi state as deviated from the early najdism. Some instead follow the watered down taqiyya-takfirism of third Saudi State funded through oil. Some follow the wahhabism that got mixed with political takfirsm of Sayyid Qutb and Mawdudi, when MB took refuge in Saudi. Some Wahhabis follow the wahhabism that mixes with la madhabism of Rashid Rida, Abduh, al-afghani, etc modernist revisionist wahabism now passed on through Ibn baz and Albani. And then further modern day splinter cults like sahwis, madhkalis and hundreds more. Their essence is all the same with minor changes here and there. Just like the khawarij of the past were divided into several ggroups each formulating their takfiri argument in slight modified patterns, some more extreme than the other. Similarily the consequnces of their takfir and the methodology to treat the Muslims whom they put takfir upon or accused guilt upon, were treated in different ways by each khawarij group of the past, as do the Wahhabism of today. The diversity among the khawarij did not make the khawarij not be khawarij anymore. And the diversity among Wahhabsim does not negate Wahhabism from being the khawarij. They always are, as the pious scholars of the past and present all declared the wahhabi movement to be. Hope your maliki friends rise up and get rid of their cancer of wahhabism before it wrecks their society.
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