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**Michaelnewerb** · 09-03-2012, 11:21 PM

Not just that but their Shaykh will answer for them on the Day of Qiyamat.

This is one of the reasons why so many Muslims don't have good opinions about Tasawwuf, as fake Sufis have over-shadowed the real Tasawwuf.

During the time of Hafiz ibn Hajar , some fake Sufis claimed that Prophet is present in the grave when a person is taken to his grave and Munkar Nakir come to question. He refuted them and said this has no basis in Islam.

If the shaykh will answer for them .. whats the point of going against ur nafs . Your shaykh will plea for you. I haven't heard any shaykh say don't worry ..don't pray don't follow sharia don't follow sunnah .. don't go against your nafs .. I will answer for you.

Just because some mashaikh have karamat of such .. doesn't mean they are fake sufis .. have you read any non deobandi tasawwuf books??? Expand a lil more ..and maybe you will understand .. I am not saying this is a pre req .. or this has to happen .. I am saying it possible .. thats it. Read Imam Haddad book his chest was split open and he went quite a few times to Sidra Muntaha in Miraj!. It in the Sage of Arabia! Let go ahead any deny everything LOL. Just because the modern day deobandis do not have such things .. that is no reason to deny such things. Some of the elders .. Mawlana Madni ...Haji imdadullah.. Hazrat Gangoh all had varied experiances which most deobandis will completely deny or say brother that only happens to people of taqwa!

Let us now look into the still recent past:

* Naqsh-e Hayat-e Madni (p: 17) and Shaikh al-Islam (p: 61); when he (Maulana Madni) sits facing the Prophet’s tomb he sees him in such a manner that there is no barrier whatsoever between them.
* Writes Maulana Rashid Ahmad Siddiqi in Shaikh al-Islam, a biog*raphy of Maulana Madni, (p: 164), “Maulana Madni sent for me and Chaudhry Muhammad Mustafa, Inspector of Schools at about 2 A.M. We hurried over. He said that the decision for the partition of India had been taken in the celestial world and that Bengal and Punjab would also be partitioned. I asked as to what we, the oppo*nents of partition, should do. He said that we were committed to the affairs of the terrestrial world and would propagate, with full force, what we consider right.”
* Writes Maulana Hussain ‘Aliin Balghat al-Hairan (p: 8), “I saw the Holy Prophet, he took me in his arms and started walking on the Pathway. I saw him writing a surety bond for me under his seal, many elders were also accompanying him. I supplicated near the K‘abah, went to the shrine of the Prophet and offered my salutations. He embraced me and gave me instructions concerning Lataif and zikr. I noticed that he was about to fall down.

09-03-2012, 11:21 PM	#16
Michaelnewerb Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 622 Senior Member	Not just that but their Shaykh will answer for them on the Day of Qiyamat. This is one of the reasons why so many Muslims don't have good opinions about Tasawwuf, as fake Sufis have over-shadowed the real Tasawwuf. During the time of Hafiz ibn Hajar , some fake Sufis claimed that Prophet is present in the grave when a person is taken to his grave and Munkar Nakir come to question. He refuted them and said this has no basis in Islam. If the shaykh will answer for them .. whats the point of going against ur nafs . Your shaykh will plea for you. I haven't heard any shaykh say don't worry ..don't pray don't follow sharia don't follow sunnah .. don't go against your nafs .. I will answer for you. Just because some mashaikh have karamat of such .. doesn't mean they are fake sufis .. have you read any non deobandi tasawwuf books??? Expand a lil more ..and maybe you will understand .. I am not saying this is a pre req .. or this has to happen .. I am saying it possible .. thats it. Read Imam Haddad book his chest was split open and he went quite a few times to Sidra Muntaha in Miraj!. It in the Sage of Arabia! Let go ahead any deny everything LOL. Just because the modern day deobandis do not have such things .. that is no reason to deny such things. Some of the elders .. Mawlana Madni ...Haji imdadullah.. Hazrat Gangoh all had varied experiances which most deobandis will completely deny or say brother that only happens to people of taqwa! Let us now look into the still recent past: * Naqsh-e Hayat-e Madni (p: 17) and Shaikh al-Islam (p: 61); when he (Maulana Madni) sits facing the Prophet’s tomb he sees him in such a manner that there is no barrier whatsoever between them. * Writes Maulana Rashid Ahmad Siddiqi in Shaikh al-Islam, a biography of Maulana Madni, (p: 164), “Maulana Madni sent for me and Chaudhry Muhammad Mustafa, Inspector of Schools at about 2 A.M. We hurried over. He said that the decision for the partition of India had been taken in the celestial world and that Bengal and Punjab would also be partitioned. I asked as to what we, the opponents of partition, should do. He said that we were committed to the affairs of the terrestrial world and would propagate, with full force, what we consider right.” * Writes Maulana Hussain ‘Aliin Balghat al-Hairan (p: 8), “I saw the Holy Prophet, he took me in his arms and started walking on the Pathway. I saw him writing a surety bond for me under his seal, many elders were also accompanying him. I supplicated near the K‘abah, went to the shrine of the Prophet and offered my salutations. He embraced me and gave me instructions concerning Lataif and zikr. I noticed that he was about to fall down.
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