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**RaicickKida** · 09-04-2012, 03:57 AM

I'm not "ahle hadees" but I'm Salafi (saudi), and what you said about bodies/dead is almost the same thing we believe, so it seems it's only iktilaaf lafdhi...

Yes we say they are dead, because technically they died, but they are also alive.... Do we believe their life is the SAME as their life before death (like eating, sleeping, drinking)? No, but we do believe they have a life and we also believe their bodies have not decomposed.

Then we have a difference. What the Ahle Hadees and the Mamatis will have you believe is that the anbiya عليهم السلام are dead in their graves and anyone who believes otherwise is a mubtadi' or a mushrik.

What does this Shiekh does when he goes for Hajj/Umrah? This sounds weird. This sort of logic/bayaans are going to make people miss the Salaah while in Haram. Another point is how come other Deobandi Shiekhs have no issue praying behind Imam of Haram? I know of a lot of Deobandi Shiekhs and I never heard anyone mention this to anyone going on Hajj.

This is more in line with Barelwis, I know of a Barelwi family who was deprived of praying in Haram because their Barelwi Shiekh told them not to pray behind Imam of Haram, so this whole family used to pray at their room instead of praying in Haram. I would say these folks were just depriving themselves of the Barakah. Ml. Ilyas Ghuman does pray behind Saudi imams and he makes them distinct from the Ahle Hadees and la madhhabis but for reasons of fiqh. In this lecture, he was talking about Mamatis and I am asking if he has an issue with the Mamatis, why is there no issue with the Saudi imams? Apparently, the Saudi Salafis do not hold identical beliefs as the Mamatis.

Maulana Ilyas Ghumman is speaking about the Mamatis. I don't know why the Imams of the Haram are implicated No one is being implicated in anything since Ml. Ilyas Ghuman does pray behind the imams of he ka'ba and he does not have any issues with the Arab Hanabilah.

09-04-2012, 03:57 AM	#29
RaicickKida Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 388 Senior Member	I'm not "ahle hadees" but I'm Salafi (saudi), and what you said about bodies/dead is almost the same thing we believe, so it seems it's only iktilaaf lafdhi... Yes we say they are dead, because technically they died, but they are also alive.... Do we believe their life is the SAME as their life before death (like eating, sleeping, drinking)? No, but we do believe they have a life and we also believe their bodies have not decomposed. Then we have a difference. What the Ahle Hadees and the Mamatis will have you believe is that the anbiya عليهم السلام are dead in their graves and anyone who believes otherwise is a mubtadi' or a mushrik. What does this Shiekh does when he goes for Hajj/Umrah? This sounds weird. This sort of logic/bayaans are going to make people miss the Salaah while in Haram. Another point is how come other Deobandi Shiekhs have no issue praying behind Imam of Haram? I know of a lot of Deobandi Shiekhs and I never heard anyone mention this to anyone going on Hajj. This is more in line with Barelwis, I know of a Barelwi family who was deprived of praying in Haram because their Barelwi Shiekh told them not to pray behind Imam of Haram, so this whole family used to pray at their room instead of praying in Haram. I would say these folks were just depriving themselves of the Barakah. Ml. Ilyas Ghuman does pray behind Saudi imams and he makes them distinct from the Ahle Hadees and la madhhabis but for reasons of fiqh. In this lecture, he was talking about Mamatis and I am asking if he has an issue with the Mamatis, why is there no issue with the Saudi imams? Apparently, the Saudi Salafis do not hold identical beliefs as the Mamatis. Maulana Ilyas Ghumman is speaking about the Mamatis. I don't know why the Imams of the Haram are implicated No one is being implicated in anything since Ml. Ilyas Ghuman does pray behind the imams of he ka'ba and he does not have any issues with the Arab Hanabilah.
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