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**Kausilwf** · 09-04-2012, 03:56 AM

Bismillah,

I think my brother Muadh is referring to the Salafi method of making Takfeer on anyone who denies their ideology by cornering them into 'submission'. For example, inventing 5 forms of Shirk and then accusing a Shaykh of all 5 of them (This is how Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab 'rolled'). Or constantly asking a Muslim theological questions hoping he'll make a mistake eventually and you can pounce on him. You are playing with words here.

like many of the ash'aris/maturidis include many sunnis among 'mujassimah' ?

It reminds me of the man who came to Imam Malik:

From Ja`far ibn `Abd Allah: "We were with Malik when a man came and asked him: ‘O Abu `Abd Allah! "The Merciful is established over the Throne" (20:5): how is He established?’ Nothing affected Malik as much as that man’s question. He looked at the ground and started prodding it with a twig he held in his hand until he was completely soaked in sweat. Then he lifted his head and said: ‘The "how" of it is inconceivable; the "establishment" part of it is not unknown; belief in it is obligatory; asking about it is an innovation; and I believe that you are a man of innovation.’ Then he gave an order and the man was led out."

that man asked a question which required wahi. and He swt didnt tell us about its 'howness'. did i do anything similar ? we know that mutakallimon do ta'weel. we dont need wahi here. and Muadh termed salafi position 'drastic and dramatic'. i was merely asking for his position on mutakallimin. your qiyas was quite irrelevant.

09-04-2012, 03:56 AM	#11
Kausilwf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 438 Senior Member	Bismillah, I think my brother Muadh is referring to the Salafi method of making Takfeer on anyone who denies their ideology by cornering them into 'submission'. For example, inventing 5 forms of Shirk and then accusing a Shaykh of all 5 of them (This is how Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab 'rolled'). Or constantly asking a Muslim theological questions hoping he'll make a mistake eventually and you can pounce on him. You are playing with words here. like many of the ash'aris/maturidis include many sunnis among 'mujassimah' ? It reminds me of the man who came to Imam Malik: From Ja`far ibn `Abd Allah: "We were with Malik when a man came and asked him: ‘O Abu `Abd Allah! "The Merciful is established over the Throne" (20:5): how is He established?’ Nothing affected Malik as much as that man’s question. He looked at the ground and started prodding it with a twig he held in his hand until he was completely soaked in sweat. Then he lifted his head and said: ‘The "how" of it is inconceivable; the "establishment" part of it is not unknown; belief in it is obligatory; asking about it is an innovation; and I believe that you are a man of innovation.’ Then he gave an order and the man was led out." that man asked a question which required wahi. and He swt didnt tell us about its 'howness'. did i do anything similar ? we know that mutakallimon do ta'weel. we dont need wahi here. and Muadh termed salafi position 'drastic and dramatic'. i was merely asking for his position on mutakallimin. your qiyas was quite irrelevant.
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