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**VINPELA** · 09-04-2012, 03:57 AM

Once again for the umteenth time.. Ta'weel made by the Asha'ira is "ta'weel Saheeh" i.e in the presence of qareena. I am really starting to wonder if you even know the basics in Asha'iri Usools or not. You keep on saying "Ta'weel" has no merit at all.. yet the Salaf made ta'weel upon ta'weel in many instances.

Ta'weel in presence of an acceptable daleel is acceptable. Do you disagree?

i dont want to discuss dhahir vs. ta'weel because i feel that for this particular contradiction it is not required. it has been discussed several times. you must have seen that. You are the third top poster here. it will only expand the discussion unneccesarily. as for the salaf's 'presumed' ta'wil, it is a misunderstanding it is dhahir at that particular mahal.

Also do you deny that the Salafis have not issued fatwas of misguidance of Asha'ri and Maturidis? classifying them OUT of Ahl Sunnah Wal Jama'ah?

i never denied that. same is done by ash'aris and maturidis against atharis/hanbalis/salafis. your questions answered.

now answer two of my questions:

1) as a mufawwd do you beleive that besides Allah anybody knows the meaning of sifat (where ikhtilaf occured like YAD, WAJH etc) ?

2) what is your position on mutakallimeen ?

09-04-2012, 03:57 AM	#17
VINPELA Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 425 Senior Member	Once again for the umteenth time.. Ta'weel made by the Asha'ira is "ta'weel Saheeh" i.e in the presence of qareena. I am really starting to wonder if you even know the basics in Asha'iri Usools or not. You keep on saying "Ta'weel" has no merit at all.. yet the Salaf made ta'weel upon ta'weel in many instances. Ta'weel in presence of an acceptable daleel is acceptable. Do you disagree? i dont want to discuss dhahir vs. ta'weel because i feel that for this particular contradiction it is not required. it has been discussed several times. you must have seen that. You are the third top poster here. it will only expand the discussion unneccesarily. as for the salaf's 'presumed' ta'wil, it is a misunderstanding it is dhahir at that particular mahal. Also do you deny that the Salafis have not issued fatwas of misguidance of Asha'ri and Maturidis? classifying them OUT of Ahl Sunnah Wal Jama'ah? i never denied that. same is done by ash'aris and maturidis against atharis/hanbalis/salafis. your questions answered. now answer two of my questions: 1) as a mufawwd do you beleive that besides Allah anybody knows the meaning of sifat (where ikhtilaf occured like YAD, WAJH etc) ? 2) what is your position on mutakallimeen ?
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