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**jagxj12** · 09-04-2012, 03:57 AM

You can term it as you wish. Salaf's 'presumed' mahal of dhahir.. is what Asha'ira say Mahal of Ta'weel (Ta'weel Saheeh). Thus tatbeeq is done.. your case closed. :

wa'laikum

sunhanAllah, tatbeeq between what ? do the asha'irah like atharis take YAD as Hand like they take It as Power.

As for the hanbali.. I mentioned already that it is infact the deobandi who take his stance of "la kayf wa la ma'na".. i was talking about hanabilah not Ahmad ibn muhammad ibn hanbal (who didnt do tafweed of meaning,

). do you say that their stance is "la kayf wa la ma'na".

No.

Mutakallimeen or Kalam? A mutakalim can very well be according to Quran and Sunnah just like the Ulama were who used kalam to make rad of all the wrong aqaid.

so what position?

sorry i should have explained it.

when you said that nobody knows the ma'na except Allah swt and mutakallimon did ta'weel of Yad (Power). what is your position on them (taking Yad as power) ?

09-04-2012, 03:57 AM	#19
jagxj12 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 609 Senior Member	You can term it as you wish. Salaf's 'presumed' mahal of dhahir.. is what Asha'ira say Mahal of Ta'weel (Ta'weel Saheeh). Thus tatbeeq is done.. your case closed. : wa'laikum sunhanAllah, tatbeeq between what ? do the asha'irah like atharis take YAD as Hand like they take It as Power. As for the hanbali.. I mentioned already that it is infact the deobandi who take his stance of "la kayf wa la ma'na".. i was talking about hanabilah not Ahmad ibn muhammad ibn hanbal (who didnt do tafweed of meaning, ). do you say that their stance is "la kayf wa la ma'na". No. Mutakallimeen or Kalam? A mutakalim can very well be according to Quran and Sunnah just like the Ulama were who used kalam to make rad of all the wrong aqaid. so what position? sorry i should have explained it. when you said that nobody knows the ma'na except Allah swt and mutakallimon did ta'weel of Yad (Power). what is your position on them (taking Yad as power) ?
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