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**Green_Monkey23** · 09-04-2012, 03:57 AM

prove what wrong. when you havent even established anything. You stated a claim about mutakillimoon. and I am to refute that claim?

For that you will have to produce bayyanah.. Rasulullah said albayyanatu ala muda'i Wal Yameenu ala man ankara. I deny that Asha'ira make any such ta'weel which should be denounced. So now its your duty to produce the proof why they should be denounced.

in anycase...I will await untill you gain decency to ask your peers or teachers for the definition of ta'weel. untill then discussion closed from my side.

where did i claim anything. these are bayyenat :

1) you say that nobody but Allah knows the meanng of sifat (where there is ikhtilaf ).
2) asha'irah make ta'weel i.e they interpret those sifat.

i said that you should refute them as well because they interpreting those sifat.

you objected that i should bring the definition of ta'weel from salaf. i said that 1) as per my knowledge it means to explain or divert the dhahir. 2) please correct me if i am wrong. 3) and i will try to bring the definition of it from acceptable sources.

show some backbone and correct me.

09-04-2012, 03:57 AM	#29
Green_Monkey23 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 421 Senior Member	prove what wrong. when you havent even established anything. You stated a claim about mutakillimoon. and I am to refute that claim? For that you will have to produce bayyanah.. Rasulullah said albayyanatu ala muda'i Wal Yameenu ala man ankara. I deny that Asha'ira make any such ta'weel which should be denounced. So now its your duty to produce the proof why they should be denounced. in anycase...I will await untill you gain decency to ask your peers or teachers for the definition of ta'weel. untill then discussion closed from my side. where did i claim anything. these are bayyenat : 1) you say that nobody but Allah knows the meanng of sifat (where there is ikhtilaf ). 2) asha'irah make ta'weel i.e they interpret those sifat. i said that you should refute them as well because they interpreting those sifat. you objected that i should bring the definition of ta'weel from salaf. i said that 1) as per my knowledge it means to explain or divert the dhahir. 2) please correct me if i am wrong. 3) and i will try to bring the definition of it from acceptable sources. show some backbone and correct me.
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