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**spapsinee** · 09-04-2012, 02:57 AM

Yes you are right on the left side it does seem women are level with the men. And yes we should not blame Abdul Hakim Murad for this, as he is the speaker not the management.

Regards to the second point, Umar (ra) was known to be very hard and strict in all regards. I am not saying He was incorrect, God forbid... only Umar (ra) knows what the situation was at the time and if Umar (ra) thought it was necessary to actually ban women from coming to the Masjid He must have had a good reason. And Ayesha (ra) agreeing with him just proves that more, that there must have been a good reason.

but I am sure women were allowed to learn from home with other women, with the best of women like Ayesha and Hafsa (ra) during the time of the ban. Because we should never ban women from learning, this goes against the Prophet (pbuh) anyway.

I just think sometimes modern Muslim men seem to have a mentality to stop women from doing everything and anything because it "might cause fitnah". I think it goes both ways, Muslim men must obey Allah and His messenger, by lowering their gaze, by covering themselves, by honouring women, by giving them their rights, by following the Sunnah of the Messenger (pbuh).

My family is from Pakistan and the majority of men there are quick to jump at women for "causing fitnah", yet never follow the Fardh, let alone the Sunnah.

Yes, mixing of genders more often then not will cause trouble. So this should always be avoided obviously. But I just feel sometimes men have a mentality to use "fitnah" to stop women from the most harmless things. I know personally women can be a handful (lol), but if men just follow the Sunnah of the Messenger (pbuh) and be patient, this fitnah will be long gone.

The point is, if men in present times obey Allah and His messenger, women would happily follow and all fitnah would vanish. If we do not obey and blame women for fitnah it is narrow-minded... we must look at it both ways.

Salam.

People who are not even fulfilling the faraaidh should definitely look at themselves before criticizing others. As for women, the reason many scholars do not recommend women from coming to the masajid for salah is that it is unnecessary and that there is much more reward for a woman to pray within her home. It is also not that women are the cause of fitnah when they come to the masajid for salah; it is that the outside environment is a fitnah for women. That is why the ulama recommend women to not leave their houses without necessity and without their mahrams. But, the masajid should have a section for women when there are lectures and women should be allowed to come and listen, albeit from the women's section.

Also, the partition policy that Umar

instated was carried over by the other khulafa as well. And not just Umar

, but 'Aisha

was also displeased by the women attending the masajid, making a distinction between how women behaved during the time of Rasoolullah

and how they were behaving after he passed away. And these are the women of the best of generations. If the sahaba

had issues with women coming to the masajid for salah, especially when there was no partition, then who are we to demand that women must be able to attend a masjid? If there is a partition and if women come with their mahrams, sure. But, if there is no partition, I think it is ridiculous to demand women to be able to come to the masjid.

09-04-2012, 02:57 AM	#35
spapsinee Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 501 Senior Member	Yes you are right on the left side it does seem women are level with the men. And yes we should not blame Abdul Hakim Murad for this, as he is the speaker not the management. Regards to the second point, Umar (ra) was known to be very hard and strict in all regards. I am not saying He was incorrect, God forbid... only Umar (ra) knows what the situation was at the time and if Umar (ra) thought it was necessary to actually ban women from coming to the Masjid He must have had a good reason. And Ayesha (ra) agreeing with him just proves that more, that there must have been a good reason. but I am sure women were allowed to learn from home with other women, with the best of women like Ayesha and Hafsa (ra) during the time of the ban. Because we should never ban women from learning, this goes against the Prophet (pbuh) anyway. I just think sometimes modern Muslim men seem to have a mentality to stop women from doing everything and anything because it "might cause fitnah". I think it goes both ways, Muslim men must obey Allah and His messenger, by lowering their gaze, by covering themselves, by honouring women, by giving them their rights, by following the Sunnah of the Messenger (pbuh). My family is from Pakistan and the majority of men there are quick to jump at women for "causing fitnah", yet never follow the Fardh, let alone the Sunnah. Yes, mixing of genders more often then not will cause trouble. So this should always be avoided obviously. But I just feel sometimes men have a mentality to use "fitnah" to stop women from the most harmless things. I know personally women can be a handful (lol), but if men just follow the Sunnah of the Messenger (pbuh) and be patient, this fitnah will be long gone. The point is, if men in present times obey Allah and His messenger, women would happily follow and all fitnah would vanish. If we do not obey and blame women for fitnah it is narrow-minded... we must look at it both ways. Salam. People who are not even fulfilling the faraaidh should definitely look at themselves before criticizing others. As for women, the reason many scholars do not recommend women from coming to the masajid for salah is that it is unnecessary and that there is much more reward for a woman to pray within her home. It is also not that women are the cause of fitnah when they come to the masajid for salah; it is that the outside environment is a fitnah for women. That is why the ulama recommend women to not leave their houses without necessity and without their mahrams. But, the masajid should have a section for women when there are lectures and women should be allowed to come and listen, albeit from the women's section. Also, the partition policy that Umar instated was carried over by the other khulafa as well. And not just Umar , but 'Aisha was also displeased by the women attending the masajid, making a distinction between how women behaved during the time of Rasoolullah and how they were behaving after he passed away. And these are the women of the best of generations. If the sahaba had issues with women coming to the masajid for salah, especially when there was no partition, then who are we to demand that women must be able to attend a masjid? If there is a partition and if women come with their mahrams, sure. But, if there is no partition, I think it is ridiculous to demand women to be able to come to the masjid.
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