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To say that allah is above the throne means he is in need of place, where was he before he created the arsh? allah created the arsh and after creating it he doesnt change or need it.

as I said akhi, we dont mess around with philosophy, Alah said he's above the throne so we accept taht without asking how, what it looks like, how it complies with plato and aristotle, etc. I find taht most satisfactory and respect others may not and thats their choice.

Am I muslim or kafir?

Im reluctant to engage in kalaam with you but why would Allah creating a throne and Alah being above that created object mean Allah is in need of being above it? Even if I engage in kalaam with yo, it sounds to me like atheism to say Allah doesnt exist anywhere and doenst have any place. But whats teh use in this kalaam? Most people asharis dont even know ashari aqeedah