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**SannyGlow** · 09-04-2012, 03:56 AM

i was just wondering are muslims allowed to fight other muslims in self defense, even to the point where the opponent may be killed?

and what about fighting to defend your property against muslims?

the hadiths, dont lift a weopon against a muslim, if two muslims fight and one gets killed, then the killer and the killed both go to hell, and if muslim comes to our doorstep to kill you, be like the son of Adam, comes to mind

those hadiths may indicate we should never fight other muslims...?

good Muslims fought good Muslims at the battle of the camel

Hadhrat Ali (raa) was a rightly guided one who is generally agreed to have been correct in his ijtehad over the issues related to it etc

also Hadhrat Abu Bakr (raa) fought those Muslim clans who refused to pay zakaat as apostates etc.

why its better for people like us not to try and derive ruling from hadith is because unlike the Ulema we only tend to know part of the story, so we tend to take a hadith that we read and fail to know its context or how it is to be understood etc, or how it interacts with all the other relevant Quran verses and hadiths etc.

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SannyGlow Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 598 Senior Member	i was just wondering are muslims allowed to fight other muslims in self defense, even to the point where the opponent may be killed? and what about fighting to defend your property against muslims? the hadiths, dont lift a weopon against a muslim, if two muslims fight and one gets killed, then the killer and the killed both go to hell, and if muslim comes to our doorstep to kill you, be like the son of Adam, comes to mind those hadiths may indicate we should never fight other muslims...? good Muslims fought good Muslims at the battle of the camel Hadhrat Ali (raa) was a rightly guided one who is generally agreed to have been correct in his ijtehad over the issues related to it etc also Hadhrat Abu Bakr (raa) fought those Muslim clans who refused to pay zakaat as apostates etc. why its better for people like us not to try and derive ruling from hadith is because unlike the Ulema we only tend to know part of the story, so we tend to take a hadith that we read and fail to know its context or how it is to be understood etc, or how it interacts with all the other relevant Quran verses and hadiths etc.
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