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**durootrium** · 09-04-2012, 02:57 AM

mashayikh cannot be doing such things what kind of precedent would that set for laymen?!?!?!?!? if rasulullah himself would not touch women, and no one on earth could have a purer heart than him how on earth can anyone else make excuses for themselves. again keep in mind he's a shaykh (for better or worse) and people will follow him.

besides the issue has nothing to do with whether his wudu is broken or not! its about physical contact with the opposite gender, keeping in mind the shaykh comes into contact with young women and even has them play music for him.

and then there's the issue of his khulafa stirring up trouble for other muslims in america callign them terrorists etc. how on earth can mashayikh of tasawuff (regardless of their differences) go around calling well established muslim organizations terrorists if i remember correctly they targetted CAIR.

very strange behaviour.

whats even more strange is the fasct that they call themsekves "naqshbandi" are they not aware of how rigid and strict the teachings of Shaykh Ahmed Sirhindi (rah) are? He did not even allow sama' and raqs, let alone this dancing and music which these folks involve themselves in.

Jazakullahukhairan Akhi,

Let us not impede our dialogue ya akhi, This is obviously about a certain masala based on conditions an obvios example is 1 may not eat swine but on a certain condition(this is very clear) But on the masala on touching the opposite sex their is a difference of opinion on how 1 may go about if "NEEDED" on a certain occasion. Allah has not burdened us to become mutashadid on issues where we need to act with caution and a lenient action based WITHIN the confines of the Divine sharia. Like I said before dear brother, This is a masala issue, the basic principle is that it is HARAM to touch the opposite sex but with each ruling has its ways of being acted upon within the different opinions held my many different shaykhs within the 4 different madhabs, thus Explaining the differents between the shafi'i route of touching the opposite sex breaking wudu and the hanbali route where (NIYA) is required in order to break it as in, If one accidentally touches a kind sister the blessed wudu is not lost but if IT IS INTENDED WITH LUST..... we obviously know the outcome

So in short.....This is a masala, and As I have said there Is a fatwa by
Shaykh Abdullah bin bayya(may allah bless him) regarding this ruling.

Its not an excuse that they make, Its a Masala , Its an approach to a masala just like any masala FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE, they have not "ENCOURAGED" this act but they reserve the right to provide proof based on our deen.
If the Muhadith Shaykh Muhammad Al-Yaqoubi views light music that contains no haram based on those conditions does that mean the laymen will all follow him? NO, There are many Ulema and laymen that follow besides him but have different opinions against it.

If I remember quite realistically, this issue of name calling goes on both ends of the spectrum. Are you giving Mashaykh of Tassawuf infallibility within lower actions within this dunya?? Do you not understand opposition?
Given that Mashaykh of tassawuf might be extremely humble and hold secrets bestowed upon them by allah through their journey for Ilm....yet they are still human and they are able to defend,retaliate,oppose certain things in any fashion that every other human can do....... I personally seen people calling the nashqbandi's extremists.....evil and what not.

But I really dont see why we should have an arguement on this akhi. I'v received my answer about if Haqqani nashqbandi's having deobandi mureeds.

09-04-2012, 02:57 AM	#3
durootrium Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 529 Senior Member	mashayikh cannot be doing such things what kind of precedent would that set for laymen?!?!?!?!? if rasulullah himself would not touch women, and no one on earth could have a purer heart than him how on earth can anyone else make excuses for themselves. again keep in mind he's a shaykh (for better or worse) and people will follow him. besides the issue has nothing to do with whether his wudu is broken or not! its about physical contact with the opposite gender, keeping in mind the shaykh comes into contact with young women and even has them play music for him. and then there's the issue of his khulafa stirring up trouble for other muslims in america callign them terrorists etc. how on earth can mashayikh of tasawuff (regardless of their differences) go around calling well established muslim organizations terrorists if i remember correctly they targetted CAIR. very strange behaviour. whats even more strange is the fasct that they call themsekves "naqshbandi" are they not aware of how rigid and strict the teachings of Shaykh Ahmed Sirhindi (rah) are? He did not even allow sama' and raqs, let alone this dancing and music which these folks involve themselves in. Jazakullahukhairan Akhi, Let us not impede our dialogue ya akhi, This is obviously about a certain masala based on conditions an obvios example is 1 may not eat swine but on a certain condition(this is very clear) But on the masala on touching the opposite sex their is a difference of opinion on how 1 may go about if "NEEDED" on a certain occasion. Allah has not burdened us to become mutashadid on issues where we need to act with caution and a lenient action based WITHIN the confines of the Divine sharia. Like I said before dear brother, This is a masala issue, the basic principle is that it is HARAM to touch the opposite sex but with each ruling has its ways of being acted upon within the different opinions held my many different shaykhs within the 4 different madhabs, thus Explaining the differents between the shafi'i route of touching the opposite sex breaking wudu and the hanbali route where (NIYA) is required in order to break it as in, If one accidentally touches a kind sister the blessed wudu is not lost but if IT IS INTENDED WITH LUST..... we obviously know the outcome So in short.....This is a masala, and As I have said there Is a fatwa by Shaykh Abdullah bin bayya(may allah bless him) regarding this ruling. Its not an excuse that they make, Its a Masala , Its an approach to a masala just like any masala FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE, they have not "ENCOURAGED" this act but they reserve the right to provide proof based on our deen. If the Muhadith Shaykh Muhammad Al-Yaqoubi views light music that contains no haram based on those conditions does that mean the laymen will all follow him? NO, There are many Ulema and laymen that follow besides him but have different opinions against it. If I remember quite realistically, this issue of name calling goes on both ends of the spectrum. Are you giving Mashaykh of Tassawuf infallibility within lower actions within this dunya?? Do you not understand opposition? Given that Mashaykh of tassawuf might be extremely humble and hold secrets bestowed upon them by allah through their journey for Ilm....yet they are still human and they are able to defend,retaliate,oppose certain things in any fashion that every other human can do....... I personally seen people calling the nashqbandi's extremists.....evil and what not. But I really dont see why we should have an arguement on this akhi. I'v received my answer about if Haqqani nashqbandi's having deobandi mureeds.
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