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**ElenaEvgeevna** · 09-04-2012, 03:57 AM

Your ignorance is astounding. It is not a matter of refraining from calling non-Muslim kuffar, but refraining from BELIEVING that they are kuffar.

Shaykh Nuh Ha Mim Keller has the following to say about the issue: http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/amat.htm

May be you should re-read the fatwa (I underlined the part you missed):

“…One who does not call the people of other religions as kafir due to any reason: He says: Therefore (because of the uncertainty of takfir of those who misinterpret and distort clear-cut and unanimous nusus), we regard a person kafir who does not call the followers of other religion as kafir or hesitates to call them kafir, or doubts in their kufr, or thinks their religion is right, though he claims himself to be Muslim and calls other religions other than Islam as false, then also he is kafir who does not call the people of other religions as kafir; since this person opposes Islam by opposing to call kafir as kafir and this is belying and refuting religion. (In short, not calling any person not following Islam as kafir is tantamount to oppose and refute Islam, and that individual is kafir.)”

In any event I have no interest in arguing this point since it is not even intelligently formulated... This is what I've referred to elsewhere as ''ideological Islam,'' a kind of caricature of the Islamic tradition.

Also, I cannot respond to the points raised by Sh. Nuh because the last time I did I had my post removed by the moderators. Suffice it to say that while I deeply respect Sh. Nuh, I find his aping of Imam Nawawi's position on this score to be somewhat disconcerting.

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ElenaEvgeevna Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 575 Senior Member	Your ignorance is astounding. It is not a matter of refraining from calling non-Muslim kuffar, but refraining from BELIEVING that they are kuffar. Shaykh Nuh Ha Mim Keller has the following to say about the issue: http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/amat.htm May be you should re-read the fatwa (I underlined the part you missed): “…One who does not call the people of other religions as kafir due to any reason: He says: Therefore (because of the uncertainty of takfir of those who misinterpret and distort clear-cut and unanimous nusus), we regard a person kafir who does not call the followers of other religion as kafir or hesitates to call them kafir, or doubts in their kufr, or thinks their religion is right, though he claims himself to be Muslim and calls other religions other than Islam as false, then also he is kafir who does not call the people of other religions as kafir; since this person opposes Islam by opposing to call kafir as kafir and this is belying and refuting religion. (In short, not calling any person not following Islam as kafir is tantamount to oppose and refute Islam, and that individual is kafir.)” In any event I have no interest in arguing this point since it is not even intelligently formulated... This is what I've referred to elsewhere as ''ideological Islam,'' a kind of caricature of the Islamic tradition. Also, I cannot respond to the points raised by Sh. Nuh because the last time I did I had my post removed by the moderators. Suffice it to say that while I deeply respect Sh. Nuh, I find his aping of Imam Nawawi's position on this score to be somewhat disconcerting.
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