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**exiceJetLip** · 09-04-2012, 03:57 AM

This is interesting, there was another thread where a member – I believe it was Marco – argued that Islam predates Buddhism because from the Islamic perspective Islam is the primordial religion, which in its simplest term means submission to the one God. Therefore Adam, Abraham and Moses are considered Muslims. Based on that, it strikes me as a little rich for modern day Muslims to retroactively designate pre-Islamic prophets Muslim with ease, so that some sort of pedigree can be maintained, and then at the same time be so restrictive on who is defined as a Muslim today.

It's not "a little rich" at all brother. The message of Islam is belief and submission to ONE God only and that is Allah. Christianity does not teach that. In fact it teaches polytheism. So just based on that, followers of the latter cannot be classed as muslims! I hope you understand that at least.

Muslims don't define who is classed as muslim, it's Allah SWT in the Quraan. If you read and understood the verses, some of which have been posted on this post, you'd realise that.

The word "Christian" doesn't even exist in the bible FYI so what are the followers of Jesus really called?? Have a think on that one...

Modern day Christians deny many commands of Christianity even though they are clear cut in the Bible. How can they be classed as "muslims" according to your rather vague criteria when they're not even Christians!

Modern day Jews deny many commands of Judaism and promote "Reformation Judaism" even though they are clear cut in their holy scriptures. How can they be classed as "muslims" according to your rather vague criteria when they're not even Jews!

Islam is not "primordial" brother it's universal and timeless. Prophet Isa (as) or Jesus did not live like a Christian does today. He lived and prayed like in many aspects (as shown in the Bible).....a muslim. Shock horror? Go and compare for your own satisfaction.

It's your understanding that's faulty brother, not Islam. The verses for muslims are quite clear, it's you and those that follow your religion that choose to ignore.

09-04-2012, 03:57 AM	#25
exiceJetLip Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 409 Senior Member	This is interesting, there was another thread where a member – I believe it was Marco – argued that Islam predates Buddhism because from the Islamic perspective Islam is the primordial religion, which in its simplest term means submission to the one God. Therefore Adam, Abraham and Moses are considered Muslims. Based on that, it strikes me as a little rich for modern day Muslims to retroactively designate pre-Islamic prophets Muslim with ease, so that some sort of pedigree can be maintained, and then at the same time be so restrictive on who is defined as a Muslim today. It's not "a little rich" at all brother. The message of Islam is belief and submission to ONE God only and that is Allah. Christianity does not teach that. In fact it teaches polytheism. So just based on that, followers of the latter cannot be classed as muslims! I hope you understand that at least. Muslims don't define who is classed as muslim, it's Allah SWT in the Quraan. If you read and understood the verses, some of which have been posted on this post, you'd realise that. The word "Christian" doesn't even exist in the bible FYI so what are the followers of Jesus really called?? Have a think on that one... Modern day Christians deny many commands of Christianity even though they are clear cut in the Bible. How can they be classed as "muslims" according to your rather vague criteria when they're not even Christians! Modern day Jews deny many commands of Judaism and promote "Reformation Judaism" even though they are clear cut in their holy scriptures. How can they be classed as "muslims" according to your rather vague criteria when they're not even Jews! Islam is not "primordial" brother it's universal and timeless. Prophet Isa (as) or Jesus did not live like a Christian does today. He lived and prayed like in many aspects (as shown in the Bible).....a muslim. Shock horror? Go and compare for your own satisfaction. It's your understanding that's faulty brother, not Islam. The verses for muslims are quite clear, it's you and those that follow your religion that choose to ignore.
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