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**Bxbhtjnr** · 09-04-2012, 03:57 AM

I don’t. One can believe that there is one God but Muhammad in not his Prophet or maybe one believes his prophecy was filtered through the prism of his own personality, circumstances and environment, making it a prophetic message, like all prophetic messages in my opinion, that have to be placed in context. To me the distinction between the Medina and the Mecca suras highlight this point. Or, maybe you fully stand behind the Shahada in your heart without compromise but external situations you relate to consciously and possibly unconsciously prevent you from declaring it.

"The Medina and the Mecca suras" obviously had a different context. In Makkah, Muslims were persecuted and living under the rule of the kuffar. In Madinah, Muslims had autonomy and shari'ah to govern them. I don't see the problem there because a lot of the revelation in the Qur'an is known to have been revealed upon the Prophet

because of the situation - the circumstances of revelation known even to this day.

So a Muslim that may have murdered many Muslims and created much conflict, as the historical record says Yazid did, is in a better position in the afterlife than Abu Talib. Is that just? Yes, because Yazid still maintained his Islam. If he renounced it before he died or was working as a murtad, then his matter is with Allah alone because we have no right to be presumptuous of a person's intention and belief. Abu Talib did not accept Islam and the reason for that is only known to Allah as well.

A Muslim will also see hell so it isn't something that is restricted to non-Muslims.

Then maybe Kuffar should not be tossed around so easily. And by tossed around, i dont mean physically tossing a Kuffar around, but the word being used, as I am sure that tossing Kuffar would be impolite even if it would satisfy some of the people on this site. This is an illogical request. The word "kafir" or "kuffar" is used to refer to a disbeliever or disbelievers. The Qur'an calls non-Muslims as kuffar so why shouldn't we? Calling someone a kafir is the same as calling someone a disbeliever or a heathen. It is merely the opposite of Muslim.

09-04-2012, 03:57 AM	#37
Bxbhtjnr Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 347 Senior Member	I don’t. One can believe that there is one God but Muhammad in not his Prophet or maybe one believes his prophecy was filtered through the prism of his own personality, circumstances and environment, making it a prophetic message, like all prophetic messages in my opinion, that have to be placed in context. To me the distinction between the Medina and the Mecca suras highlight this point. Or, maybe you fully stand behind the Shahada in your heart without compromise but external situations you relate to consciously and possibly unconsciously prevent you from declaring it. "The Medina and the Mecca suras" obviously had a different context. In Makkah, Muslims were persecuted and living under the rule of the kuffar. In Madinah, Muslims had autonomy and shari'ah to govern them. I don't see the problem there because a lot of the revelation in the Qur'an is known to have been revealed upon the Prophet because of the situation - the circumstances of revelation known even to this day. So a Muslim that may have murdered many Muslims and created much conflict, as the historical record says Yazid did, is in a better position in the afterlife than Abu Talib. Is that just? Yes, because Yazid still maintained his Islam. If he renounced it before he died or was working as a murtad, then his matter is with Allah alone because we have no right to be presumptuous of a person's intention and belief. Abu Talib did not accept Islam and the reason for that is only known to Allah as well. A Muslim will also see hell so it isn't something that is restricted to non-Muslims. Then maybe Kuffar should not be tossed around so easily. And by tossed around, i dont mean physically tossing a Kuffar around, but the word being used, as I am sure that tossing Kuffar would be impolite even if it would satisfy some of the people on this site. This is an illogical request. The word "kafir" or "kuffar" is used to refer to a disbeliever or disbelievers. The Qur'an calls non-Muslims as kuffar so why shouldn't we? Calling someone a kafir is the same as calling someone a disbeliever or a heathen. It is merely the opposite of Muslim.
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