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**zlopikanikanzax** · 09-04-2012, 02:56 AM

May I ask if someone has specifically asked Shaykh Hamza Yusuf to clarify his remarks on this subject?
Perhaps in that clarification, an apology may have been made. I'm just wondering if he is aware of the consternation his remarks have made.

He made a joke about how he thought about creating a ride like in Dante's poem. And somehow this has been implied that he meant something. Actions are by intentions, since we cannot open peoples hearts to see intentions we cannot imply. If we imply something it might be that we are projecting our own ideas. We are taught to judge by the apparent and the outward actions....outwardly he did not say anything either. And even then we should try to see the good. HY praises the rasul

and displays great love for him

...but if we want to find fault we will not look at all of this, instead we will look at 'the joke' and make it stick. When a mufti makes a fatwa if wrong they gets one reward, if correct they get two rewards. But on the basis of the wrong fatwa we will condemn them.

People envy others, and this will lead them to find faults in them. Scholars are not above criticism...but please be fair, and honest with yourself first before criticising...make sure you are doing it for the right reasons.

Apart from that yes the Rasul

is to be loved more than anything else other than Allah

for eman to be perfect. This love is only known to Allah

and we should not try to find fault with others eman.

Ibn Arabi (RA) tells a story of how he himself had enmity against a man who disliked Abu Madyan (RA) his sheikh. One night the Rasul

came in Ibn Arabis dream to ask him why he disliked a man who had love of the Rasul

and Allah? Ibn Arabi apologized and the next morning told the man he used to have enmity for about the dream, whereupon they made up.

09-04-2012, 02:56 AM	#11
zlopikanikanzax Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	May I ask if someone has specifically asked Shaykh Hamza Yusuf to clarify his remarks on this subject? Perhaps in that clarification, an apology may have been made. I'm just wondering if he is aware of the consternation his remarks have made. He made a joke about how he thought about creating a ride like in Dante's poem. And somehow this has been implied that he meant something. Actions are by intentions, since we cannot open peoples hearts to see intentions we cannot imply. If we imply something it might be that we are projecting our own ideas. We are taught to judge by the apparent and the outward actions....outwardly he did not say anything either. And even then we should try to see the good. HY praises the rasul and displays great love for him ...but if we want to find fault we will not look at all of this, instead we will look at 'the joke' and make it stick. When a mufti makes a fatwa if wrong they gets one reward, if correct they get two rewards. But on the basis of the wrong fatwa we will condemn them. People envy others, and this will lead them to find faults in them. Scholars are not above criticism...but please be fair, and honest with yourself first before criticising...make sure you are doing it for the right reasons. Apart from that yes the Rasul is to be loved more than anything else other than Allah for eman to be perfect. This love is only known to Allah and we should not try to find fault with others eman. Ibn Arabi (RA) tells a story of how he himself had enmity against a man who disliked Abu Madyan (RA) his sheikh. One night the Rasul came in Ibn Arabis dream to ask him why he disliked a man who had love of the Rasul and Allah? Ibn Arabi apologized and the next morning told the man he used to have enmity for about the dream, whereupon they made up.
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