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**Gerribase** · 09-04-2012, 02:57 AM

not that i know of. maybe brother faizol can update us.

i too want clarification of his stance on lahori qadianis.

Have both sections of that community been declared kafir?
The 'Lahori Ahmedis' call the larger group 'Qadianis'
And the 'Ahmedi' group just call themselves that, whilst we call them 'Qadianis', which can make things confusing.
I know the latter believe that their man was the reincarnation of just about everyone.. but the former think he was the mahdi right?
I genuinely don't know, but does believing someone to be Imam Mahdi (ra) put them outside the pale of islam?
The reason i ask that is because Sudan had a similar movement at around the same time which culminated in the battle of Omdurman - the man the Sudanese regarded as the Mahdi is still held in high regard there, though im sure most Sudanese recognise he wasn't now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ahmad
Thoughts?

09-04-2012, 02:57 AM	#27
Gerribase Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 449 Senior Member	not that i know of. maybe brother faizol can update us. i too want clarification of his stance on lahori qadianis. Have both sections of that community been declared kafir? The 'Lahori Ahmedis' call the larger group 'Qadianis' And the 'Ahmedi' group just call themselves that, whilst we call them 'Qadianis', which can make things confusing. I know the latter believe that their man was the reincarnation of just about everyone.. but the former think he was the mahdi right? I genuinely don't know, but does believing someone to be Imam Mahdi (ra) put them outside the pale of islam? The reason i ask that is because Sudan had a similar movement at around the same time which culminated in the battle of Omdurman - the man the Sudanese regarded as the Mahdi is still held in high regard there, though im sure most Sudanese recognise he wasn't now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ahmad Thoughts?
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