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**jhfkgkfdvjk** · 09-04-2012, 02:57 AM

brother faizol mailed him about something asking for a clarification.

all,

I haven't got a response on that yet, but at the same time the original thread on the issue was deleted. I sent the thread link in the email to make sure the background information was correctly supplied.

A few of our brothers or sisters here have a direct access to Sheikh Hamza Yusuf, maybe one of the brothers or sisters can ask him directly? That would be much more helpful as many questions insya Allah can be asked directly, thus the opportunity to clear any misunderstanding is greater.

Have both sections of that community been declared kafir?
The 'Lahori Ahmedis' call the larger group 'Qadianis'
And the 'Ahmedi' group just call themselves that, whilst we call them 'Qadianis', which can make things confusing.
I know the latter believe that their man was the reincarnation of just about everyone.. but the former think he was the mahdi right?
I genuinely don't know, but does believing someone to be Imam Mahdi (ra) put them outside the pale of islam?
The reason i ask that is because Sudan had a similar movement at around the same time which culminated in the battle of Omdurman - the man the Sudanese regarded as the Mahdi is still held in high regard there, though im sure most Sudanese recognise he wasn't now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ahmad
Thoughts?

One of the brothers from the original thread did mention that taking Mirza Qadiayani as a mujadid is the same as taking Musaylamah as a mujadid, for both of them declared themselves as prophets. That's a very strong point in arguing against Lahori Qadiayanis.

Allahu A'lam.

09-04-2012, 02:57 AM	#28
jhfkgkfdvjk Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 444 Senior Member	brother faizol mailed him about something asking for a clarification. all, I haven't got a response on that yet, but at the same time the original thread on the issue was deleted. I sent the thread link in the email to make sure the background information was correctly supplied. A few of our brothers or sisters here have a direct access to Sheikh Hamza Yusuf, maybe one of the brothers or sisters can ask him directly? That would be much more helpful as many questions insya Allah can be asked directly, thus the opportunity to clear any misunderstanding is greater. Have both sections of that community been declared kafir? The 'Lahori Ahmedis' call the larger group 'Qadianis' And the 'Ahmedi' group just call themselves that, whilst we call them 'Qadianis', which can make things confusing. I know the latter believe that their man was the reincarnation of just about everyone.. but the former think he was the mahdi right? I genuinely don't know, but does believing someone to be Imam Mahdi (ra) put them outside the pale of islam? The reason i ask that is because Sudan had a similar movement at around the same time which culminated in the battle of Omdurman - the man the Sudanese regarded as the Mahdi is still held in high regard there, though im sure most Sudanese recognise he wasn't now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ahmad Thoughts? One of the brothers from the original thread did mention that taking Mirza Qadiayani as a mujadid is the same as taking Musaylamah as a mujadid, for both of them declared themselves as prophets. That's a very strong point in arguing against Lahori Qadiayanis. Allahu A'lam.
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