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**Pjayjukr** · 09-04-2012, 02:57 AM

Have both sections of that community been declared kafir?
The 'Lahori Ahmedis' call the larger group 'Qadianis'
And the 'Ahmedi' group just call themselves that, whilst we call them 'Qadianis', which can make things confusing.
I know the latter believe that their man was the reincarnation of just about everyone.. but the former think he was the mahdi right?
I genuinely don't know, but does believing someone to be Imam Mahdi (ra) put them outside the pale of islam?
The reason i ask that is because Sudan had a similar movement at around the same time which culminated in the battle of Omdurman - the man the Sudanese regarded as the Mahdi is still held in high regard there, though im sure most Sudanese recognise he wasn't now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ahmad
Thoughts?

brother both are kafir. whatever lahoris say they consider the kafir qadiani to be a 'reformer'.

the gustakh e rasul(SAW) to be a reformer. imagine.

it is their refusal to do takfir of him that makes them kafir among other things.

do you think anybody who today says that musailmah kazzab was not a kafir but misguided, be Muslims?
what about those who says Musailmah was a 'reformer'?

and one should not use the word ahmadis for them.

09-04-2012, 02:57 AM	#29
Pjayjukr Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 502 Senior Member	Have both sections of that community been declared kafir? The 'Lahori Ahmedis' call the larger group 'Qadianis' And the 'Ahmedi' group just call themselves that, whilst we call them 'Qadianis', which can make things confusing. I know the latter believe that their man was the reincarnation of just about everyone.. but the former think he was the mahdi right? I genuinely don't know, but does believing someone to be Imam Mahdi (ra) put them outside the pale of islam? The reason i ask that is because Sudan had a similar movement at around the same time which culminated in the battle of Omdurman - the man the Sudanese regarded as the Mahdi is still held in high regard there, though im sure most Sudanese recognise he wasn't now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ahmad Thoughts? brother both are kafir. whatever lahoris say they consider the kafir qadiani to be a 'reformer'. the gustakh e rasul(SAW) to be a reformer. imagine. it is their refusal to do takfir of him that makes them kafir among other things. do you think anybody who today says that musailmah kazzab was not a kafir but misguided, be Muslims? what about those who says Musailmah was a 'reformer'? and one should not use the word ahmadis for them.
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