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**WenPyclenoWex** · 06-06-2012, 05:25 PM

Are our actions according to Shariah? Every single step outside that is a mistake and a loss.

Secularism is, at its best, religion neutrality.

Supplications of a Muslim should be for guidance on the Right Path.

It is un-Islamic to pin our hopes on non-Islamic principles.

Thanks to Allah (SWT) are still due..

Thanks you for your response brother.
Let me clarify that its your misunderstanding and other anti-secularist who view secularism inherently an anti-islamic concept.
Secularism allows pluralism. Secularism is not making legislation which should have at their root aim to oppose Islam. That is irrational perspective on secularism.
A muslim society can have a government which views Alcohol as harmful and destructive force to society and can use its authority to curtain or discourage the use of that like how the western nations deal with cigarettes. What you people dont understand is that a Muslim parliament can vote with a muslim consience. No one is saying that in a secular Muslim parliament everyone has to behave like Quran and Sunnah doesnt exist.
What is important to me and muslims of my mind is that Muslim countries surpass global standards of governance and prosperity. We excel in human rights, social equity and scientific success. But most of our ulema who use 'sharia' will say dont associate with the infidels and I wont be surprised if such a clause is made into law. OR in another month legislation may be passed where ulema comes to tell us that all who dont pray friday prayer need to be flogged. Or that a person seen on internet committing adultery now has to be stoned to death or for e.g. that a women raped should not abort her fetus. These are rulings which are grey and there implementation is best left to Allah and his messenger. Why I say this is we do not know what Allah and his messengers perspective on the issue. Guessing is not appropriate. However secularism will allow individual choice and respect individual autonomy. If someone wants to associate with an infidel in study or work its his choice and between the person and Allah. If someone misses a friday prayer because of whatever reason he saw fit its between him and Allah. If a women aborts a fetus because she wants to erase the trauma of her rape its between her and Allah. I can list several example, if i want to eat ahle-kitab meat because I am salafi I am free to do that in a deoband sunni majority secular country. If I am a salafi alim I can criticize the founders of the four great madhabs if I think they made a ruling which goes against Sunnah.

SO secularism is practical, Islamic and allows rigorous debate of issues without restricting thought and intellect. Once you say 'sharia' will rule us. Then a certain groups islamic perspective on sharia comes to fore light and no respect is given to other groups.

06-06-2012, 05:25 PM	#18
WenPyclenoWex Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 442 Senior Member	Are our actions according to Shariah? Every single step outside that is a mistake and a loss. Secularism is, at its best, religion neutrality. Supplications of a Muslim should be for guidance on the Right Path. It is un-Islamic to pin our hopes on non-Islamic principles. Thanks to Allah (SWT) are still due.. Thanks you for your response brother. Let me clarify that its your misunderstanding and other anti-secularist who view secularism inherently an anti-islamic concept. Secularism allows pluralism. Secularism is not making legislation which should have at their root aim to oppose Islam. That is irrational perspective on secularism. A muslim society can have a government which views Alcohol as harmful and destructive force to society and can use its authority to curtain or discourage the use of that like how the western nations deal with cigarettes. What you people dont understand is that a Muslim parliament can vote with a muslim consience. No one is saying that in a secular Muslim parliament everyone has to behave like Quran and Sunnah doesnt exist. What is important to me and muslims of my mind is that Muslim countries surpass global standards of governance and prosperity. We excel in human rights, social equity and scientific success. But most of our ulema who use 'sharia' will say dont associate with the infidels and I wont be surprised if such a clause is made into law. OR in another month legislation may be passed where ulema comes to tell us that all who dont pray friday prayer need to be flogged. Or that a person seen on internet committing adultery now has to be stoned to death or for e.g. that a women raped should not abort her fetus. These are rulings which are grey and there implementation is best left to Allah and his messenger. Why I say this is we do not know what Allah and his messengers perspective on the issue. Guessing is not appropriate. However secularism will allow individual choice and respect individual autonomy. If someone wants to associate with an infidel in study or work its his choice and between the person and Allah. If someone misses a friday prayer because of whatever reason he saw fit its between him and Allah. If a women aborts a fetus because she wants to erase the trauma of her rape its between her and Allah. I can list several example, if i want to eat ahle-kitab meat because I am salafi I am free to do that in a deoband sunni majority secular country. If I am a salafi alim I can criticize the founders of the four great madhabs if I think they made a ruling which goes against Sunnah. SO secularism is practical, Islamic and allows rigorous debate of issues without restricting thought and intellect. Once you say 'sharia' will rule us. Then a certain groups islamic perspective on sharia comes to fore light and no respect is given to other groups.
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