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Old 09-04-2012, 03:56 AM   #1
jurhoonee

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Default The Islamic 'state' an oxymoron (contradiction in terms)
Definition of State
State (polity), an organized political community, living under a government
Sovereign state, a sovereign political entity in public international law
"State", in some contexts virtually synonymous with "government", e.g., to distinguish state (government) from private schools
Nation state, a state which coincides with a nation (language group).


An oxymoron (plural oxymorons or oxymora) is a figure of speech that combines contradictory terms.

Most of us who have grown up after Word War Two, use the phrase Islamic State uncritically to refer to a Islamic government. This comes from the Quranic word Dawla being mistranslated by early modernist Muslims into State (capital S). Together with this mistranslation we import all of the un-Islamic concepts of the modern State into Islam. The first Muslims in Madina Munawwara did not have a State, they had a government. The Ottomons did not have a State they had a government...it is said that a small village governed a large empire, in contrast to today where thousands upon thousands of people govern a small city. In order to understand the State we would have to study it and see what Western scholars have to say about it, it is their word so they know what it means.

I recommend that all Muslims interested in these subjects should read the following books, they are basic and simple:

Our Enemy, the State by Albert Jay Nock (free PDFs are available on the internet).


And these books by Richard J. Maybury are designed for high school students and are a great resource for Home schooling your children, but adults can learn from them too. These too can be downloaded as free torrents from the internet.

Whatever Happened to Penny Candy? 6th edition

Whatever Happened to Justice?, rev. edition

Are You Liberal? Conservative or Confused? 2nd edition

Ancient Rome: How It Affects You Today? 2nd edition

Evaluating Books: What Would Thomas Jefferson Think About This?, 2nd edition

The Money Mystery, 3rd edition

The Clipper Ship Strategy, revised edition

The Thousand Year War in the Mideast: How It Affects You Today

World War I: The Rest of the Story Story and How It Affects You Today, revised edition

World War II: The Rest of the Story and How It Affects You Today, revised edition

Also included is The Two Laws book


Umar Vadillio a Muslim Maliki scholar defines the State as a government which also carries out Central Banking functions. This is a good definition. Islam therefore is completely opposed to the State.

If Muslims want to implement Shariah in a particular area where people are not previously very religious, how do they do it? Do they force people with the threat of violence to grow beards, to stop drinking wine, to stop listening to music? If so people will not be sincere and we end up with two classes of people The Police and The Policed...it will not be a healthy Muslim community.

Muslims would have to dismantle the pre-existing structures of the State, not just replace them with 'Muslim' versions. Islam is largely about individual self governance, the Individual is sovereign of their own life, the Muslim government plays a very minimal role. The Muslim government cannot force anyone to give their money or property in sadaqa or welfare to others. It leaves people to make their own choices, there is no role for 'good people' in government forcing people to do things against their will. Even in a Jihad the sahaba were never forced to participate...they volunteered to go. The modern State confiscates your property from you by force...because they claim the people in government know better than you how best to spend it. This causes massive corruption and the State was never given this power by Allah , it has taken power and forced everyone to pay Interest (riba) on the so called National Debt. The Nation-State are slave holdings paying debts to Bankers....who distract us with Sport, Porn, etc. while they rule over us with an iron fist hidden inside a velvet glove.
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