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**xsexymasterix** · 09-04-2012, 02:56 AM

Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullah brother

I quite agree with most of what you are saying, but what I'm wondering is, what is it like to organize a country with tens of millions of people and massive cities without a complex state with a beaurocracy?

can a country ruled from a small village survive in this modern technological age without the apparatus of a state (such as a foreign office, health and social services, ministries related to education, agriculture and industry etc, a secret service, a standing army and a method of policing etc)?

wouldn't such a country just get wiped away by the enemies of Islam like the Taliban was?

would you say the situation of Islamic governance under Caliph Umar (for example) was a state or something else?

when the rightly guided Caliphs took over Egypt and Persia, they didn't completely eradicate existing state structures in those countries, rather they Islamicized them (got rid of the Haram and promoted the Halal) and we must remember that they were rightly guided Caliphs.

the Ottomans too had a complex state with a complex beaurocracy, was this un-Islamic?

also if people use the term state to describe the society at Madinah (as many do) are they wrong to do so?

or do they just use the term in a different way from some of your definitions?

maybe state is just a term people use, but society is a better term.

09-04-2012, 02:56 AM	#2
xsexymasterix Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 403 Senior Member	Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullah brother I quite agree with most of what you are saying, but what I'm wondering is, what is it like to organize a country with tens of millions of people and massive cities without a complex state with a beaurocracy? can a country ruled from a small village survive in this modern technological age without the apparatus of a state (such as a foreign office, health and social services, ministries related to education, agriculture and industry etc, a secret service, a standing army and a method of policing etc)? wouldn't such a country just get wiped away by the enemies of Islam like the Taliban was? would you say the situation of Islamic governance under Caliph Umar (for example) was a state or something else? when the rightly guided Caliphs took over Egypt and Persia, they didn't completely eradicate existing state structures in those countries, rather they Islamicized them (got rid of the Haram and promoted the Halal) and we must remember that they were rightly guided Caliphs. the Ottomans too had a complex state with a complex beaurocracy, was this un-Islamic? also if people use the term state to describe the society at Madinah (as many do) are they wrong to do so? or do they just use the term in a different way from some of your definitions? maybe state is just a term people use, but society is a better term.
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