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**Dfvgthyju** · 09-04-2012, 03:57 AM

actually there is no evidence for that. there were people (who fought in afghan jihad) who were ousted from power when taliban took control, it could be them as well. the only thing we can say with hard evidence is that their approach towards social reforms didnt win them any supporters among secular muslims and non-muslims (not to mention sects and political parties grinding their own axe).

khair the main point to discuss is how much leeway can a state or govt give to the people before implementing actual shariah?

As well as munafiqs, zindiqs and secularized people there were certainly some religious "bidati" type Muslims and Muslim lovers of various un-Islamic elements of traditional Afghan culture from amongst the Pastuns who very definitely failed to support the Taliban when it would have been useful, yet who weren't associated to the warlords etc, how influential they were only Allah knows, but the failure to get 100% support from the people when the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan was invaded cannot have helped things for the Taliban.

Uthman dan Fodio (ra) had some similar problems with reviving and Islamizing a largely irreligious populous when he established the Sokoto Caliphate. He wrote a few books related to the subject. you may find these links interesting http://siiasi.org/wp-content/uploads...jl-Ikhwaan.pdf http://siiasi.org/wp-content/uploads...eh-al-umma.pdf others can be found here in the library http://siiasi.org. He is interesting because he overcame some issues that the Taliban had trouble with, with a little more leniency, pragmatically seeking to facilitate ease for the people within the bounds of established fiqh rulings, whilst not budging an inch on anything important. He recognized what sort of people he was working to reform an used wisdom and coaxing as his primary methodology and it worked.

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Dfvgthyju Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 548 Senior Member	actually there is no evidence for that. there were people (who fought in afghan jihad) who were ousted from power when taliban took control, it could be them as well. the only thing we can say with hard evidence is that their approach towards social reforms didnt win them any supporters among secular muslims and non-muslims (not to mention sects and political parties grinding their own axe). khair the main point to discuss is how much leeway can a state or govt give to the people before implementing actual shariah? As well as munafiqs, zindiqs and secularized people there were certainly some religious "bidati" type Muslims and Muslim lovers of various un-Islamic elements of traditional Afghan culture from amongst the Pastuns who very definitely failed to support the Taliban when it would have been useful, yet who weren't associated to the warlords etc, how influential they were only Allah knows, but the failure to get 100% support from the people when the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan was invaded cannot have helped things for the Taliban. Uthman dan Fodio (ra) had some similar problems with reviving and Islamizing a largely irreligious populous when he established the Sokoto Caliphate. He wrote a few books related to the subject. you may find these links interesting http://siiasi.org/wp-content/uploads...jl-Ikhwaan.pdf http://siiasi.org/wp-content/uploads...eh-al-umma.pdf others can be found here in the library http://siiasi.org. He is interesting because he overcame some issues that the Taliban had trouble with, with a little more leniency, pragmatically seeking to facilitate ease for the people within the bounds of established fiqh rulings, whilst not budging an inch on anything important. He recognized what sort of people he was working to reform an used wisdom and coaxing as his primary methodology and it worked.
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