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**TSVIDeo** · 06-27-2010, 11:50 PM

^Honestly, I'm not even saying I support the idea of secession as much as I'm saying it's ridiculous to downplay the contrast between the North and South and not give credit where credit is due.

This is not about giving or denying credit, one of my brother's settled down in Hargeisa, if this region does well, i'm thoroughly satisfied, no sinister bone here. The problem is that your personal bias causes you to generalise and make absurd sensationalist statements. First the Somaliland entity doesn't constitute the entire North of Somalia, they are positioned in the Northwest, there is also the Northeast(Puntland), and the central regions(Galmadug etc) that are relatively peaceful, The South itself also can't be generalised there are major cities like Merka, Barawa etc that are not conflict zones. The area of instability is majoritely concentrated in Mogadishu itself:

marka-somalia.jpg BosasoCity.jpg DSC04838.jpg Mp.JPG zGalkacyo.jpg Barawe161109.jpg

It's more than Mogadishu can accomplish apparently, with that mindset, so something should be said for that. I would prefer that they unite and drive the Islamists out, I will reply to you with what i have said once to Sanjub in a PM:

If a house substitutes symbolically as the city of Mogadishu, and you have five doctors, three students, six traders, four politicians, a married couple with a child, and lastly two gunmen living there. It doesn't matter how much those five doctors would like to medically speaking take care of the residents in the house, it doesn't matter how badly those students would like to study, it doesn't matter how competitively those traders would like to trade, it doesn't matter how many laws those politicians enforce, and it doesn't matter that the married couple with a child would like to see their kid grow up in a safe environment, all of their wishes has been rendered obsolete because two maniacs with a gun have hijacked their house and their destinies. Add to this the almost inexhaustible supply of ammo from foreign sources for these gunmen and the aforementioned ordinary people are stuck in a neverending labyrinth.

They united and drove the Warlords out four years ago, then a paranoid Superpower called our moderates 'fanatics' and allowed the actual nutcases to come to forefront, what if they now unite again and drive out these demons, what is to say some other stupid reason won't be used to intervene in the South(Neo-Communism?, Pro-Sinism?), fact is that region would calm by itself if there wasn't all this meddling, the type of meddling that is non-existant in the Northwest and the Northeast.

but I can understand why certain...histories...make Northerners jaded towards Southerners to the point where they are like "fuck y'all, fix your own shithole, and hey thanks for that whole Isaaq genocide thing, really enjoyed that What genocide?, who has been feeding you this? I know that you get a kick out of discussing Somali politics, but seriously sis you need to brush up on your knowledge with regards to the last days of Barre's rule, instead of blasting us with your schadenfreude and acting like the self-styled defender of the 'North' when large swathes of that Northern region don't need anyone to defend them. The perpetrators of those crimes in the Northwest were most definitely not 'Southerner', indeed as i pointed out earlier the major violator in charge was the NSS agent Riyaale Kaahin the current president of Somaliland. Those you dubbed Southerners had suffered just as much, and not to forget the reprisals against the population of modern Puntland, so nobody has a 'monopoly' on Barre's actions.

06-27-2010, 11:50 PM	#37
TSVIDeo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 416 Senior Member	^Honestly, I'm not even saying I support the idea of secession as much as I'm saying it's ridiculous to downplay the contrast between the North and South and not give credit where credit is due. This is not about giving or denying credit, one of my brother's settled down in Hargeisa, if this region does well, i'm thoroughly satisfied, no sinister bone here. The problem is that your personal bias causes you to generalise and make absurd sensationalist statements. First the Somaliland entity doesn't constitute the entire North of Somalia, they are positioned in the Northwest, there is also the Northeast(Puntland), and the central regions(Galmadug etc) that are relatively peaceful, The South itself also can't be generalised there are major cities like Merka, Barawa etc that are not conflict zones. The area of instability is majoritely concentrated in Mogadishu itself: marka-somalia.jpg BosasoCity.jpg DSC04838.jpg Mp.JPG zGalkacyo.jpg Barawe161109.jpg It's more than Mogadishu can accomplish apparently, with that mindset, so something should be said for that. I would prefer that they unite and drive the Islamists out, I will reply to you with what i have said once to Sanjub in a PM: If a house substitutes symbolically as the city of Mogadishu, and you have five doctors, three students, six traders, four politicians, a married couple with a child, and lastly two gunmen living there. It doesn't matter how much those five doctors would like to medically speaking take care of the residents in the house, it doesn't matter how badly those students would like to study, it doesn't matter how competitively those traders would like to trade, it doesn't matter how many laws those politicians enforce, and it doesn't matter that the married couple with a child would like to see their kid grow up in a safe environment, all of their wishes has been rendered obsolete because two maniacs with a gun have hijacked their house and their destinies. Add to this the almost inexhaustible supply of ammo from foreign sources for these gunmen and the aforementioned ordinary people are stuck in a neverending labyrinth. They united and drove the Warlords out four years ago, then a paranoid Superpower called our moderates 'fanatics' and allowed the actual nutcases to come to forefront, what if they now unite again and drive out these demons, what is to say some other stupid reason won't be used to intervene in the South(Neo-Communism?, Pro-Sinism?), fact is that region would calm by itself if there wasn't all this meddling, the type of meddling that is non-existant in the Northwest and the Northeast. but I can understand why certain...histories...make Northerners jaded towards Southerners to the point where they are like "fuck y'all, fix your own shithole, and hey thanks for that whole Isaaq genocide thing, really enjoyed that What genocide?, who has been feeding you this? I know that you get a kick out of discussing Somali politics, but seriously sis you need to brush up on your knowledge with regards to the last days of Barre's rule, instead of blasting us with your schadenfreude and acting like the self-styled defender of the 'North' when large swathes of that Northern region don't need anyone to defend them. The perpetrators of those crimes in the Northwest were most definitely not 'Southerner', indeed as i pointed out earlier the major violator in charge was the NSS agent Riyaale Kaahin the current president of Somaliland. Those you dubbed Southerners had suffered just as much, and not to forget the reprisals against the population of modern Puntland, so nobody has a 'monopoly' on Barre's actions.
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