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**Tarrccrys** · 09-04-2012, 03:22 AM

Are you sure they are allowed? I think it is very difficult because many people might leave and they would be stuck without an army if they allowed anyone to leave. Quite a few go AWOL absent without leave and they are hunted as deserters.

Bush and others escaped the military draft by some legal device.

When the story unfolded at the time of the incident this is the point that came out - that he did have the option but the advisers gave him the opposite impression.

It is true there are deserters but that is a different problem.

major nidal did the right thing. he correctly recognized US as the enemy of Muslims and that the enemy has to be struck where it hurts. the aim was to strike fear and terror into the hearts of kuffar. the terror is greater when the enemy is struck in their homeland rather than in the battlefield. it was not an emotional reaction to his impending deployment in afghanistan. yes he found this attack to be a way out of it but why he did it was because muslims cannot aid kuffar against fellow Muslims when the result of their aid is death of fellow Muslims and establishment of Kufr government. this point seems to be missing on many Muslims and esp Muslim rulers. among the many who have deemed such people out of Islam is Allama Qurtubi (rh) in his tafseer q qurtubi.

people conveniently forget what the US did to Islam from 1948 to 2001 (when it was paid back some amount) .they conveniently forget what the US and its allies are doing to islam right now and the plans they have for Islam. all they see is their own American citizenship or residence and anybody threatening that is their enemy. they deem mujahideen as terrorist left right and center and that too without any strong evidence (you will notice that in their fatawa). for other Muslims in other countries J!had can be waged everywhere but inside their own countries.

major nidal was in correspondence with sh. al-awlaki (rh). it may be worth reading the sheikh's views here (page 41; in english)

also please see a fiqh discussion on this by sheikh nasir bin hamd al fahad (rh) who is imprisoned in saudi arabia. this booklet is in urdu (soon in english).

I'll try to read the links but you are allowing your wishes to cloud the reality. If you see the power point presentation by Major Nidal Hasan it is clear that he was wishing for a way out of the US army. He was ready to pay the Army back. This clearly indicates that there was no intention on his part to single handely take on the US might. It was simple frustration of being put in an impossible situation. Major Hasan is a victim of an insensitive, actually inapt, system - not a rebel.

PS: Both links have been blocked by my local admin.

09-04-2012, 03:22 AM	#16
Tarrccrys Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 588 Senior Member	Are you sure they are allowed? I think it is very difficult because many people might leave and they would be stuck without an army if they allowed anyone to leave. Quite a few go AWOL absent without leave and they are hunted as deserters. Bush and others escaped the military draft by some legal device. When the story unfolded at the time of the incident this is the point that came out - that he did have the option but the advisers gave him the opposite impression. It is true there are deserters but that is a different problem. major nidal did the right thing. he correctly recognized US as the enemy of Muslims and that the enemy has to be struck where it hurts. the aim was to strike fear and terror into the hearts of kuffar. the terror is greater when the enemy is struck in their homeland rather than in the battlefield. it was not an emotional reaction to his impending deployment in afghanistan. yes he found this attack to be a way out of it but why he did it was because muslims cannot aid kuffar against fellow Muslims when the result of their aid is death of fellow Muslims and establishment of Kufr government. this point seems to be missing on many Muslims and esp Muslim rulers. among the many who have deemed such people out of Islam is Allama Qurtubi (rh) in his tafseer q qurtubi. people conveniently forget what the US did to Islam from 1948 to 2001 (when it was paid back some amount) .they conveniently forget what the US and its allies are doing to islam right now and the plans they have for Islam. all they see is their own American citizenship or residence and anybody threatening that is their enemy. they deem mujahideen as terrorist left right and center and that too without any strong evidence (you will notice that in their fatawa). for other Muslims in other countries J!had can be waged everywhere but inside their own countries. major nidal was in correspondence with sh. al-awlaki (rh). it may be worth reading the sheikh's views here (page 41; in english) also please see a fiqh discussion on this by sheikh nasir bin hamd al fahad (rh) who is imprisoned in saudi arabia. this booklet is in urdu (soon in english). I'll try to read the links but you are allowing your wishes to cloud the reality. If you see the power point presentation by Major Nidal Hasan it is clear that he was wishing for a way out of the US army. He was ready to pay the Army back. This clearly indicates that there was no intention on his part to single handely take on the US might. It was simple frustration of being put in an impossible situation. Major Hasan is a victim of an insensitive, actually inapt, system - not a rebel. PS: Both links have been blocked by my local admin.
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