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**Farson** · 09-04-2012, 04:22 AM

Ok let us say that you are right. You are saying that as a resident of Pakistan you can kill or attack any or all Pakistanis because the state of Pakistan is aiding Americans in killing Muslims?

Or only the Pakistani military can be rightly attacked?

What if someone attacks the Pakistani military, kills a few hundred soldiers, but then the Pakistani millitary reacts by ruthlessly killing many Muslims in return and further empowering itself as the biggest and baddest bully on the block....what have you achieved?

With regards to killing the military in America...what if the soldiers are forced to go...are they guilty and responsible for it? It is the democratic form of government which allows these things to occur and we have to know where ultimate responsibility lies. Is it with 'the people', or 'the President', or the hidden banker and corporate elites.

major nidal did the right thing. he correctly recognized US as the enemy of Muslims and that the enemy has to be struck where it hurts. the aim was to strike fear and terror into the hearts of kuffar. the terror is greater when the enemy is struck in their homeland rather than in the battlefield. it was not an emotional reaction to his impending deployment in afghanistan. yes he found this attack to be a way out of it but why he did it was because muslims cannot aid kuffar against fellow Muslims when the result of their aid is death of fellow Muslims and establishment of Kufr government. this point seems to be missing on many Muslims and esp Muslim rulers. among the many who have deemed such people out of Islam is Allama Qurtubi (rh) in his tafseer q qurtubi.

people conveniently forget what the US did to Islam from 1948 to 2001 (when it was paid back some amount) .they conveniently forget what the US and its allies are doing to islam right now and the plans they have for Islam. all they see is their own American citizenship or residence and anybody threatening that is their enemy. they deem mujahideen as terrorist left right and center and that too without any strong evidence (you will notice that in their fatawa). for other Muslims in other countries J!had can be waged everywhere but inside their own countries.

major nidal was in correspondence with sh. al-awlaki (rh). it may be worth reading the sheikh's views here (page 41; in english)

also please see a fiqh discussion on this by sheikh nasir bin hamd al fahad (rh) who is imprisoned in saudi arabia. this booklet is in urdu (soon in english).

09-04-2012, 04:22 AM	#18
Farson Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 538 Senior Member	Ok let us say that you are right. You are saying that as a resident of Pakistan you can kill or attack any or all Pakistanis because the state of Pakistan is aiding Americans in killing Muslims? Or only the Pakistani military can be rightly attacked? What if someone attacks the Pakistani military, kills a few hundred soldiers, but then the Pakistani millitary reacts by ruthlessly killing many Muslims in return and further empowering itself as the biggest and baddest bully on the block....what have you achieved? With regards to killing the military in America...what if the soldiers are forced to go...are they guilty and responsible for it? It is the democratic form of government which allows these things to occur and we have to know where ultimate responsibility lies. Is it with 'the people', or 'the President', or the hidden banker and corporate elites. major nidal did the right thing. he correctly recognized US as the enemy of Muslims and that the enemy has to be struck where it hurts. the aim was to strike fear and terror into the hearts of kuffar. the terror is greater when the enemy is struck in their homeland rather than in the battlefield. it was not an emotional reaction to his impending deployment in afghanistan. yes he found this attack to be a way out of it but why he did it was because muslims cannot aid kuffar against fellow Muslims when the result of their aid is death of fellow Muslims and establishment of Kufr government. this point seems to be missing on many Muslims and esp Muslim rulers. among the many who have deemed such people out of Islam is Allama Qurtubi (rh) in his tafseer q qurtubi. people conveniently forget what the US did to Islam from 1948 to 2001 (when it was paid back some amount) .they conveniently forget what the US and its allies are doing to islam right now and the plans they have for Islam. all they see is their own American citizenship or residence and anybody threatening that is their enemy. they deem mujahideen as terrorist left right and center and that too without any strong evidence (you will notice that in their fatawa). for other Muslims in other countries J!had can be waged everywhere but inside their own countries. major nidal was in correspondence with sh. al-awlaki (rh). it may be worth reading the sheikh's views here (page 41; in english) also please see a fiqh discussion on this by sheikh nasir bin hamd al fahad (rh) who is imprisoned in saudi arabia. this booklet is in urdu (soon in english).
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