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Old 09-04-2012, 03:22 AM   #23
JakeBarkings

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When the Quran says killing one life unlawfully is like killing the whole of humanity...what does it mean? Islam does not teach collective punishments...you hurt A...so A punish your whole family tribe or nation...even those people close to you who have not caused A any harm. A will be held responsible for murder in the akhira. If A claims that the others were just in the way 'collateral damage' they will be asked if they took all precautions to prevent harm to others.
which scholar said that? which books have you ascertained this opinion from?

Well when America was attacked 9/11 it did nothing to weaken them. In fact it gave them the excuse to attack Afghanistan, Iraq, and many many Muslims around the world. I would argue the American Industrial Complex has become better empowered after the war on terror was started...they have all profited greatly both in terms of money and strategic gains. Patience or sabr is a virtue, sometimes being patient and biding ones time is better.
america already had an excuse: USS cole, somalia, nairobi/darussalam. it was planning to do it till 10th september. it was a choice between waiting to get hit or go and hit the enemy first. please see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03rboinD6BY&feature=fvsr
as for weakening it i beg to differ and war on iraq helped AQ according to americans like michael sheuer. perhaps you are unaware of the goals of the war. kindly visit sheuer's wiki to find out about this briefly.

The Pakistani military also gains, the military is owned by a few wealthy families...they control the wealth of the whole of pakistan, attacking them only pushes them into the hands of the Americans and their money lenders who further gain control of Pakistan. Better in my oipion to be patient, to build up your own power and to work at grassroots...
that is unrealistic. the govt doesnt want you to build up power, it enters your houses to kill you. sitting far away you cant possibly understand the situation in pakistan.
and have you read Military Inc.?

Mujadid Alfi Thani the Islamic renovator of the deen was sent to prison by Al Akbar, from there he started working to implement the deen, and he wrote letters to people close to the ruler trying to win them over. He did not start civil unrest. The Jihad you are speaking about does not help Muslims or Islam....it is valid when Muslims have created a government then from there they declare jihad against other nations....this is the true jihad it is calling others to the deen nothing more...no defending the land, or the lives of other Muslims...simply to call others to the deen...this is fee-sabililah. The siratul mustaqim is a path of moderation.
please see these where other islamic movements fallacies have been outlined.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdbKq...feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX6x5...feature=relmfu

please see 'defence of Muslim lands' by ABdullah Azzam (on kalamullah) to see what is real J!had.

akbar was a ruler of a Muslim land. there was no external non-Muslim army aided by akbar. you are missing a very vital point: the J!had in pakistan is not only to implement shariah here. it is to prevent pakistan's aid to US which enables the US to fight in afghanistan. did you not read this in shahzad's book? if you see the above two links you will see it is actually a war against US.

the path of the Prophet (PBUH) and his companions is the true path. i dont have the works of scholars in english yet. but when it gets translated i will give it to you.

p.s everywhere J!had is launched there are Muslim shariah governments. so even if one stipulates that condition it is fulfilled.
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