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**Rndouglas** · 09-04-2012, 03:22 AM

Basically this video is saying we are humiliated everywhere by kufr, that struggle against them is the only option and everyone is obligated (fard e kifaya) to do it.

But this is wrong. It is fard to establish khilafah first, fighting is secondary. Fighting to protect your land, life and honor are halal but even then you cannot expand the war and take to yourself the permission to declare war on behalf of all Muslims worldwide. You keep your struggle local and continue to fight only if there is a possibility of victory...not endless war for 40 years or more with no prospect of victory or an end.

The hands of the Saudi leaders are tied....if they are removed we could have something worse in charge. Muslims like osama were misguided, osama was not a shaykh he was just a rich businessman who also learnt about jihad when working for the CIA in Afgahnistan he had no authority to declare his war against Saudi or anyone else.

All these problems that the Muslims have are because they have no khalifah....this should be the priority of all Muslims, once this is established we can implement the other pillars of the deen and work towards victory. All the jihadists have put the cart before the horse. A khalif would first establish a baitul mal and they would create an army which would then fight against the kuffar fee sailillah meaning for no other reason that to call towards Allah....not to protect other Muslims, their lands or properties (these are defensive jihads undertaken by people under attack).

no things aren't that obvious. you are unable i think to differentiate between lawful and unlawful killing and also the application of the verse in war and peace. there are certain rules to be followed. i have answers to these very questions. but unfortunately in urdu. after eid me and a brother will translate everything..

as for your last paragraph it is discussed in my post below which i just edited
(also check out a video i added in the middle of the post)

09-04-2012, 03:22 AM	#27
Rndouglas Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 387 Senior Member	Basically this video is saying we are humiliated everywhere by kufr, that struggle against them is the only option and everyone is obligated (fard e kifaya) to do it. But this is wrong. It is fard to establish khilafah first, fighting is secondary. Fighting to protect your land, life and honor are halal but even then you cannot expand the war and take to yourself the permission to declare war on behalf of all Muslims worldwide. You keep your struggle local and continue to fight only if there is a possibility of victory...not endless war for 40 years or more with no prospect of victory or an end. The hands of the Saudi leaders are tied....if they are removed we could have something worse in charge. Muslims like osama were misguided, osama was not a shaykh he was just a rich businessman who also learnt about jihad when working for the CIA in Afgahnistan he had no authority to declare his war against Saudi or anyone else. All these problems that the Muslims have are because they have no khalifah....this should be the priority of all Muslims, once this is established we can implement the other pillars of the deen and work towards victory. All the jihadists have put the cart before the horse. A khalif would first establish a baitul mal and they would create an army which would then fight against the kuffar fee sailillah meaning for no other reason that to call towards Allah....not to protect other Muslims, their lands or properties (these are defensive jihads undertaken by people under attack). no things aren't that obvious. you are unable i think to differentiate between lawful and unlawful killing and also the application of the verse in war and peace. there are certain rules to be followed. i have answers to these very questions. but unfortunately in urdu. after eid me and a brother will translate everything.. as for your last paragraph it is discussed in my post below which i just edited (also check out a video i added in the middle of the post)
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