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**AnneseeKels** · 09-04-2012, 04:22 AM

Unfortunately I cannot read urdu (well i can with assistance haha!) - I do want to know though genuinely. I think you know my opinions, and I think I know yours regarding one issue. But as I am a muslim in the UK - i follow the law - i do not engage in (what I consider to be) treasonous behaviour. I try to be a good Muslim, and inshallah i try to contribute to the muslim community in the UK. I oppose the wars the UK fights -verbally. I would consider a British Muslim who bombed civilians in the UK to be a terrorist. if he reneged his passport and left the country, it would be one thing to then fight soldiers, but to seek shelter in this country, and then to kill his fellow unarmed citizens, i find that treasonous. And this isn't about me loving the UK - I am just talking ethics.

you are not serving in the military you are a civilian. the fatwa i pointed to you is talking about serving soldiers in such kafir armies (or murtad armies).
and the fatwa only talks about declining the call of duty from such armies.

i cannot possibly explain in detail here about the permissiveness of attacking non-Muslim combatants their property etc in non-Muslim lands(as it would require loads of translations which i dont have atm), but rest assured there is an opinion that it is permitted. this explains major nidal, and other actions such as 2004 madrid, london 2005, september 11. they all happened in dar ul harb. a country that is not participant in wars against Muslims is not dar ul harb even if it is Non-Muslim. so what we are discussing cannot be permitted in some place say mongolia.
Allahualam
if you wish to follow another opinion that is fine too i guess. as for ethics: like common sense, they are a product of our upbringing and education and personal reflections do not necessarily translate to shariah rulings if one is a layman.

09-04-2012, 04:22 AM	#34
AnneseeKels Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 571 Senior Member	Unfortunately I cannot read urdu (well i can with assistance haha!) - I do want to know though genuinely. I think you know my opinions, and I think I know yours regarding one issue. But as I am a muslim in the UK - i follow the law - i do not engage in (what I consider to be) treasonous behaviour. I try to be a good Muslim, and inshallah i try to contribute to the muslim community in the UK. I oppose the wars the UK fights -verbally. I would consider a British Muslim who bombed civilians in the UK to be a terrorist. if he reneged his passport and left the country, it would be one thing to then fight soldiers, but to seek shelter in this country, and then to kill his fellow unarmed citizens, i find that treasonous. And this isn't about me loving the UK - I am just talking ethics. you are not serving in the military you are a civilian. the fatwa i pointed to you is talking about serving soldiers in such kafir armies (or murtad armies). and the fatwa only talks about declining the call of duty from such armies. i cannot possibly explain in detail here about the permissiveness of attacking non-Muslim combatants their property etc in non-Muslim lands(as it would require loads of translations which i dont have atm), but rest assured there is an opinion that it is permitted. this explains major nidal, and other actions such as 2004 madrid, london 2005, september 11. they all happened in dar ul harb. a country that is not participant in wars against Muslims is not dar ul harb even if it is Non-Muslim. so what we are discussing cannot be permitted in some place say mongolia. Allahualam if you wish to follow another opinion that is fine too i guess. as for ethics: like common sense, they are a product of our upbringing and education and personal reflections do not necessarily translate to shariah rulings if one is a layman.
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