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**grofvuri** · 09-04-2012, 03:22 AM

To have a darul harb you need a darul Islam and maybe a third category those who the Muslims have a treaty with. We do not have a darul islam...so there is no darul harb...when these categories were defined by people in the past they were in place.

Islam raises up the human being, kufr disgraces the human, our laws are secure and bring protection to human beings, their laws do the opposite.

Any evidence for the claim in bold above?

There are references i can quote from Aimma and pious predecessors which otherwise. You say if there is no Dar ul Islam there can be no dar ul harb which simply means that J!had can only be fought when there is a dar ul Islam. Ridiculous!

Imam Ibn Taymiyyah and many other scholars even deobandi state that it is farz e ayn to establish Islamic laws on the peace of land where Muslims live. and if that piece of land is attacked by the kuffaar regardless of whether shairah is implemented there or not, J!had become automatically farz e ayn, there is no relation of Dar ul Islam with it. its ajeeb how you mold ahkaam for your nafs so as to stay away from J!had and wait for Khilafah to descend from the sky one fine day!

09-04-2012, 03:22 AM	#37
grofvuri Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 423 Senior Member	To have a darul harb you need a darul Islam and maybe a third category those who the Muslims have a treaty with. We do not have a darul islam...so there is no darul harb...when these categories were defined by people in the past they were in place. Islam raises up the human being, kufr disgraces the human, our laws are secure and bring protection to human beings, their laws do the opposite. Any evidence for the claim in bold above? There are references i can quote from Aimma and pious predecessors which otherwise. You say if there is no Dar ul Islam there can be no dar ul harb which simply means that J!had can only be fought when there is a dar ul Islam. Ridiculous! Imam Ibn Taymiyyah and many other scholars even deobandi state that it is farz e ayn to establish Islamic laws on the peace of land where Muslims live. and if that piece of land is attacked by the kuffaar regardless of whether shairah is implemented there or not, J!had become automatically farz e ayn, there is no relation of Dar ul Islam with it. its ajeeb how you mold ahkaam for your nafs so as to stay away from J!had and wait for Khilafah to descend from the sky one fine day!
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