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**dfuzioniag** · 09-04-2012, 03:22 AM

We are not talking about oil rich countries or even a Islamic Union where a pledge that all natural resources belong to all Muslims not only to saudis or iranians or malaysians. However for the modern nation state currently we need to think out a tax system to save lives and reduce sufferings. Zakat by itself without wealth and resource distribution wont fulfill the needs. Only the concept that Zakat + wealth/resource belongs to all needy Muslims is the only solution to avoid taxation. Until then we have to tax well-off people or avoid that immoral act and let people die/suffer (another immoral act). Choose which one you prefer.

Brother mubakr,

Why do you limit your scope to a modern nation state? Such as Tunisia, or Jordan?
In truth, these entities are inheritly deficient on account of them being formed as autonomous, independent 'nations' eventhough they are too weak to militarily defend and sustain themselves by today's military standards.

It is as if you or I were declared a nation state in our own home.

Thus, in most any given reality in the Muslim world, any given Muslim nation is not actually self sustaining or sufficiently autonomous. Meaning, a state like Tunisia should not BE.

It is my understanding that Tunisia presently depends on Algeria for gas as well as gas industry. Tunisia regions along the ALgerian borders also depend on Algeria for electric power such that in the past, disputes between the two resulted in Algerian cutting power and Tunisian towns and provinces not having electricity until the disputes were settled.
Why should there be divisions between Muslim people?

Similiarly, where the UAE borders Oman at al Ain, UAE and Buraimi, Oman, there used to be free passage between towns. But because of some dispute, they put up fences and armed border gates and passage between the two are tightly controlled. Why? Why try to conceive ways to raise funds in Buraimi whily ignoring al Ain?
Why try to conceive of raising govt revenue in Tunisia while being dependent on Algeria?

Why not try to figure how to join them?

Were there no obsticals, Tunisia should be joined with Algeria as a single entity even as a wilaya of a large state.

From my perspective, Muslims should look beyond the limited scope of the 'nations' as they exist today. How to raise revenue for a national government in Gaza, or Tunisia, is a futile exercise given that neither are actually liberated from the kufr world order or self sustainable by today's military standards.

The Muslim nations of today are NOT conducive to autonomy, or self sufficiency, or thriving in any major, sustaining, long term sense. They are traps, prisons, ghettos, the realms of mafias.

It is a distraction for Muslims to make the effort to gain the limited political authority to run a nation state, like Tunisia or Gaza. Rather the effort should be for liberation from kufr world order.

09-04-2012, 03:22 AM	#20
dfuzioniag Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 597 Senior Member	We are not talking about oil rich countries or even a Islamic Union where a pledge that all natural resources belong to all Muslims not only to saudis or iranians or malaysians. However for the modern nation state currently we need to think out a tax system to save lives and reduce sufferings. Zakat by itself without wealth and resource distribution wont fulfill the needs. Only the concept that Zakat + wealth/resource belongs to all needy Muslims is the only solution to avoid taxation. Until then we have to tax well-off people or avoid that immoral act and let people die/suffer (another immoral act). Choose which one you prefer. Brother mubakr, Why do you limit your scope to a modern nation state? Such as Tunisia, or Jordan? In truth, these entities are inheritly deficient on account of them being formed as autonomous, independent 'nations' eventhough they are too weak to militarily defend and sustain themselves by today's military standards. It is as if you or I were declared a nation state in our own home. Thus, in most any given reality in the Muslim world, any given Muslim nation is not actually self sustaining or sufficiently autonomous. Meaning, a state like Tunisia should not BE. It is my understanding that Tunisia presently depends on Algeria for gas as well as gas industry. Tunisia regions along the ALgerian borders also depend on Algeria for electric power such that in the past, disputes between the two resulted in Algerian cutting power and Tunisian towns and provinces not having electricity until the disputes were settled. Why should there be divisions between Muslim people? Similiarly, where the UAE borders Oman at al Ain, UAE and Buraimi, Oman, there used to be free passage between towns. But because of some dispute, they put up fences and armed border gates and passage between the two are tightly controlled. Why? Why try to conceive ways to raise funds in Buraimi whily ignoring al Ain? Why try to conceive of raising govt revenue in Tunisia while being dependent on Algeria? Why not try to figure how to join them? Were there no obsticals, Tunisia should be joined with Algeria as a single entity even as a wilaya of a large state. From my perspective, Muslims should look beyond the limited scope of the 'nations' as they exist today. How to raise revenue for a national government in Gaza, or Tunisia, is a futile exercise given that neither are actually liberated from the kufr world order or self sustainable by today's military standards. *The Muslim nations of today are NOT conducive to autonomy, or self sufficiency, or thriving in any major, sustaining, long term sense. They are traps, prisons, ghettos, the realms of mafias.* It is a distraction for Muslims to make the effort to gain the limited political authority to run a nation state, like Tunisia or Gaza. Rather the effort should be for liberation from kufr world order.
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