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**vioppyskype** · 02-12-2011, 05:45 PM

Well you need to re-check the facts about imam hussain (r.a) again brother. look up history again and that fact is you will realise that imam hussain (r.a) rose up against yazid BEFORE yazid attacked mecca and medina.

brother,

please reread my reply to you (I will quote my previous reply);
2) imam hussain (r.a) and yazid. Are we in the same situation as Imam Hussain ? You should also realize that Yazid massacred the Muslims in the two blessed cities. Are we in that situation now to draw that parallel?
1. There's no mention that the massacre of the people of Mecca and Medina happened before the karbala in my reply.

2. My point was regarding to your statement that "If that is the case, then imam hussain (r.a) should not have risen up against yazid" because according to you "Nowhere does it say we need to be patient against our leaders just because some weak hadith (made up by the unjust rulers in the past for themselves to justify their position) tells us not to rise up until they commit open kufr".

Are we in the same situation as during the case of Yazid? Are we in the same situation where majority of people didn't want to give ba'iyah to the ruler as in the case of Yazid? Also do we have a ruler with the same transgressions level done by Yazid? Yes the current rulers are not perfect. Most of them are usurping the resources belonging to the ummah for their personal wealth while neglecting the Laws of Allah

, not to mention how oppressive they are. But once ba'iyah is given, you can't just simply withdrew it without any valid strong reason.

As per your statement that the weak hadith about not revolting until open kufr is committed that's made up by the unjust past rulers, the onus is on you to provide back up to proof your claim. If you're right, then many people will learn something from this. But if you're wrong then that's a lesson learnt and hopefully

we won't make the same mistakes again in the future.

Allah Knows best.

02-12-2011, 05:45 PM	#12
vioppyskype Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 477 Senior Member	Well you need to re-check the facts about imam hussain (r.a) again brother. look up history again and that fact is you will realise that imam hussain (r.a) rose up against yazid BEFORE yazid attacked mecca and medina. brother, please reread my reply to you (I will quote my previous reply); 2) imam hussain (r.a) and yazid. Are we in the same situation as Imam Hussain ? You should also realize that Yazid massacred the Muslims in the two blessed cities. Are we in that situation now to draw that parallel? 1. There's no mention that the massacre of the people of Mecca and Medina happened before the karbala in my reply. 2. My point was regarding to your statement that "If that is the case, then imam hussain (r.a) should not have risen up against yazid" because according to you "Nowhere does it say we need to be patient against our leaders just because some weak hadith (made up by the unjust rulers in the past for themselves to justify their position) tells us not to rise up until they commit open kufr". Are we in the same situation as during the case of Yazid? Are we in the same situation where majority of people didn't want to give ba'iyah to the ruler as in the case of Yazid? Also do we have a ruler with the same transgressions level done by Yazid? Yes the current rulers are not perfect. Most of them are usurping the resources belonging to the ummah for their personal wealth while neglecting the Laws of Allah , not to mention how oppressive they are. But once ba'iyah is given, you can't just simply withdrew it without any valid strong reason. As per your statement that the weak hadith about not revolting until open kufr is committed that's made up by the unjust past rulers, the onus is on you to provide back up to proof your claim. If you're right, then many people will learn something from this. But if you're wrong then that's a lesson learnt and hopefully we won't make the same mistakes again in the future. Allah Knows best.
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