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**sallythetolly** · 02-12-2011, 07:16 PM

maybe i didnt make my point clear to you brother. its a known fact that the battle of karbala happened BEFORE the attacks of mecca and medina by yazid. ask your scholar or refer to history books. why did imam hussain (r.a) rise up against yazid when he had not yet attacked medina and mecca ? so this a a proof in itself to show that the hadith is weak otherwise imam hussain (r.a) would not have risen up against yazid.

sigh,

brother, I didn't mention that Karbala happened after Mecca or Medina was attacked. Ok, let me rephrase it. Show me where I said Karbala happened AFTER the attacks on Mecca and Medina?

We all know that Imam Hussein

and many other Prophet

's companions

refused to give ba'iyah to Yazid as he was not selected by the shura council, among many other reasons. So I'll ask you again, show us where the parallel is happening right now with regards to the case of Imam Hussein

?

also if you look at history, there have been many revolts against unjust rules (some succussful, others not) and even the saud family itself rose up agsint the ottoman empire to establish thier illigitmate kingdom.

Honestly, it would be different if I lived during that time then I most probably be obliged to take part in defending the Khilafat. But the era has gone, and once a ruler is established and ba'iyah is given, then we have to follow the hadith as instructed by the Prophet

. Unless if you can prove without any doubts that the hadith was fabricated like what you claimed. Then we might have a different discussion.

02-12-2011, 07:16 PM	#14
sallythetolly Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 421 Senior Member	maybe i didnt make my point clear to you brother. its a known fact that the battle of karbala happened BEFORE the attacks of mecca and medina by yazid. ask your scholar or refer to history books. why did imam hussain (r.a) rise up against yazid when he had not yet attacked medina and mecca ? so this a a proof in itself to show that the hadith is weak otherwise imam hussain (r.a) would not have risen up against yazid. sigh, brother, I didn't mention that Karbala happened after Mecca or Medina was attacked. Ok, let me rephrase it. Show me where I said Karbala happened AFTER the attacks on Mecca and Medina? We all know that Imam Hussein and many other Prophet 's companions refused to give ba'iyah to Yazid as he was not selected by the shura council, among many other reasons. So I'll ask you again, show us where the parallel is happening right now with regards to the case of Imam Hussein ? also if you look at history, there have been many revolts against unjust rules (some succussful, others not) and even the saud family itself rose up agsint the ottoman empire to establish thier illigitmate kingdom. Honestly, it would be different if I lived during that time then I most probably be obliged to take part in defending the Khilafat. But the era has gone, and once a ruler is established and ba'iyah is given, then we have to follow the hadith as instructed by the Prophet . Unless if you can prove without any doubts that the hadith was fabricated like what you claimed. Then we might have a different discussion.
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