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**Aswdwdfg** · 09-04-2012, 04:22 AM

You were right, I've checked my emails and it was TheIslammiracle channel. But either way I couldn't care less if it was theIslammiracle or the rationalizer, as they would use the same arguments

I always care for the truth from proof, hence my name. It's good that you discovered you were wrong and felt able to tell everyone because there are many people who will not do this. It's not right to claim that this guy would argue the same way though, you cannot know that.

These are the names often repeated on anti-Islamic websites. I guess he's already set to not believe what the Quran says, no matter what (for now, don't know about the future) and will find other excuses not to accept it, Allahu A'lam.

Why did they say those things? Surely they understood the style of Arabic better than we ever could today?

The points above can easily be refuted by many Muslims. A few reverts, like brother Hamza Tsortis actually explained in detail about the eloquence of the Quran with clear definitions of what are the standards used and how do they applied to Quran.

He doesn't speak Arabic though does he?

Ah ok, so you were looking for the interview videos done by "Zindani". I thought you were looking for an old footage of the scientists in a press conference in the 80's.

The Zindani footage is clearly edited to make it look like those scientists are saying one thing, whereas the footage on this other channel has completely unedited interviews with the same people clearly stating that they were misrepresented. For example Zindani claimed that he asked Bill Hay what he thought the source of the Quran was and Bill replied "I would think it would be the divine being", but in the unedited video Bill said that Zindani had spent a long time building up a completely fictitious scenario to which Bill's reply could be the only answer and that once he had recorded Bill saying those words he cut it out and lied about what the question was.

There is no unedited footage of interviews.

I'm not sure about the exact interview videos. My suggestion is;
1. To email the site directly and ask for the video or for full transcript of the interview,
2. Then to contact those professors directly to confirm that;
a. If the interviews did take place;
b. and if the interview indeed did take place, they might argue that the content of the interview might be different (and we have no way of knowing who is more truthful). But I guess that's another issue.

Already done, I got a reply this morning "I will consider it"

09-04-2012, 04:22 AM	#17
Aswdwdfg Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 520 Senior Member	You were right, I've checked my emails and it was TheIslammiracle channel. But either way I couldn't care less if it was theIslammiracle or the rationalizer, as they would use the same arguments I always care for the truth from proof, hence my name. It's good that you discovered you were wrong and felt able to tell everyone because there are many people who will not do this. It's not right to claim that this guy would argue the same way though, you cannot know that. These are the names often repeated on anti-Islamic websites. I guess he's already set to not believe what the Quran says, no matter what (for now, don't know about the future) and will find other excuses not to accept it, Allahu A'lam. Why did they say those things? Surely they understood the style of Arabic better than we ever could today? The points above can easily be refuted by many Muslims. A few reverts, like brother Hamza Tsortis actually explained in detail about the eloquence of the Quran with clear definitions of what are the standards used and how do they applied to Quran. He doesn't speak Arabic though does he? Ah ok, so you were looking for the interview videos done by "Zindani". I thought you were looking for an old footage of the scientists in a press conference in the 80's. The Zindani footage is clearly edited to make it look like those scientists are saying one thing, whereas the footage on this other channel has completely unedited interviews with the same people clearly stating that they were misrepresented. For example Zindani claimed that he asked Bill Hay what he thought the source of the Quran was and Bill replied "I would think it would be the divine being", but in the unedited video Bill said that Zindani had spent a long time building up a completely fictitious scenario to which Bill's reply could be the only answer and that once he had recorded Bill saying those words he cut it out and lied about what the question was. There is no unedited footage of interviews. I'm not sure about the exact interview videos. My suggestion is; 1. To email the site directly and ask for the video or for full transcript of the interview, 2. Then to contact those professors directly to confirm that; a. If the interviews did take place; b. and if the interview indeed did take place, they might argue that the content of the interview might be different (and we have no way of knowing who is more truthful). But I guess that's another issue. Already done, I got a reply this morning "I will consider it"
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