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**Stovegeothnon** · 09-04-2012, 04:22 AM

I always care for the truth from proof, hence my name. It's good that you discovered you were wrong and felt able to tell everyone because there are many people who will not do this. It's not right to claim that this guy would argue the same way though, you cannot know that.

Well, to some extent yes, you can tell if one will argue this way or that way, or one's line of thinking (generally) after corresponding with them for some time. However that doesn't mean that anyone knows for sure of what will the other person say exactly in the future, as that's the unseen knowledge.

The mixed up was due to not checking the recorded conversation (due to the feel that it's not necessary to do so). That's simply coz I didn't give any importance to the ideas purported by the names mentioned (due to the abundance of the arguments made by other Muslims that counter their points).

Why did they say those things? Surely they understood the style of Arabic better than we ever could today?

The numbers quoted to prove that Quran is not eloquence is dwarfed by the numbers of those who will testify otherwise and can say why (that is able to explain the rules needed objectively and how to apply that rules consistently to any subject discussed).

He doesn't speak Arabic though does he?

http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/essays-...mitable-quran/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sca_OUCn84

The Zindani footage is clearly edited to make it look like those scientists are saying one thing, whereas the footage on this other channel has completely unedited interviews with the same people clearly stating that they were misrepresented. For example Zindani claimed that he asked Bill Hay what he thought the source of the Quran was and Bill replied "I would think it would be the divine being", but in the unedited video Bill said that Zindani had spent a long time building up a completely fictitious scenario to which Bill's reply could be the only answer and that once he had recorded Bill saying those words he cut it out and lied about what the question was.

There is no unedited footage of interviews.

Already done, I got a reply this morning "I will consider it"

brother, you stress that as your name implied, proof is extremely important. The lacking of any evidence, as in this case, the videos or anything that point to the interview, doesn't mean that the interview never happened. Regardless of what's the content of the interview, I believe you can just simply email the professors to confirm if the interview did happen. If it did, only then to go and scrutinize the discussions. To simply say that "Zindani" is a fraud due to our own inability to find evidence, is not the evidence in itself, and it's substandard to use that to judge "Zindani" without the benefit of the doubt.

Allahu A'lam.

09-04-2012, 04:22 AM	#18
Stovegeothnon Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 508 Senior Member	I always care for the truth from proof, hence my name. It's good that you discovered you were wrong and felt able to tell everyone because there are many people who will not do this. It's not right to claim that this guy would argue the same way though, you cannot know that. Well, to some extent yes, you can tell if one will argue this way or that way, or one's line of thinking (generally) after corresponding with them for some time. However that doesn't mean that anyone knows for sure of what will the other person say exactly in the future, as that's the unseen knowledge. The mixed up was due to not checking the recorded conversation (due to the feel that it's not necessary to do so). That's simply coz I didn't give any importance to the ideas purported by the names mentioned (due to the abundance of the arguments made by other Muslims that counter their points). Why did they say those things? Surely they understood the style of Arabic better than we ever could today? The numbers quoted to prove that Quran is not eloquence is dwarfed by the numbers of those who will testify otherwise and can say why (that is able to explain the rules needed objectively and how to apply that rules consistently to any subject discussed). He doesn't speak Arabic though does he? http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/essays-...mitable-quran/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sca_OUCn84 The Zindani footage is clearly edited to make it look like those scientists are saying one thing, whereas the footage on this other channel has completely unedited interviews with the same people clearly stating that they were misrepresented. For example Zindani claimed that he asked Bill Hay what he thought the source of the Quran was and Bill replied "I would think it would be the divine being", but in the unedited video Bill said that Zindani had spent a long time building up a completely fictitious scenario to which Bill's reply could be the only answer and that once he had recorded Bill saying those words he cut it out and lied about what the question was. There is no unedited footage of interviews. Already done, I got a reply this morning "I will consider it" brother, you stress that as your name implied, proof is extremely important. The lacking of any evidence, as in this case, the videos or anything that point to the interview, doesn't mean that the interview never happened. Regardless of what's the content of the interview, I believe you can just simply email the professors to confirm if the interview did happen. If it did, only then to go and scrutinize the discussions. To simply say that "Zindani" is a fraud due to our own inability to find evidence, is not the evidence in itself, and it's substandard to use that to judge "Zindani" without the benefit of the doubt. Allahu A'lam.
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