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**broksaksaak** · 09-04-2012, 03:22 AM

One of the problems with us is that we have all been educated with a modern nation-state as our experience, we do not know anything different. Some of us may have theoretical knowledge from books about what a khalifah might look like and operate...but because of our modern experiences we might model it on the nation-state (a strong centralized authority with lots of control etc.). Maybe there is no model and even making detailed plans of how it would be is inappropriate....maybe aside from a few general laws people are left to govern themselves. The more regulations and laws there are imposed by the centralized authority the more corruption there is.

Lao Tzu:

I would recommend listening to this long lecture, not because I advocate his ideas, but just to gain a different perspective on the problem of government and to recognize that there are many different ways to govern without creating a centralized nation-state or empire. The Usmanli khalifah did not call itself an empire, the west called it the ottomon empire, but they called themselves the dawla....this is a less rigid, centralized and bureaucratic form of Islamic rule, empires are rigid and controlling designed to enrich people in the centre of government.

If you get a chance watch this:

Hoppe in Sydney 2011: "Society Without State - Private Law Society"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=TBER0noHGC8

Society without state - that sounds like a western problem. A theoretical construct. We have a concrete problem at hand.
We can state it simply: How to implement Shariah. Or how to go about implementing Shariah. Unfortunately one might end up sounding like Anjum Choudhury but ultimately this is the question that we have to answer. I suppose we should ask in every geographical location about our plan to implement Shariah. In India we have five year plans for development by the government. And there is a planning commission that plans twenty years in advance. Since Muslim world is in a state of flux a clear cut plan for future actions is not a bad idea - rather it is a necessity.

09-04-2012, 03:22 AM	#8
broksaksaak Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 565 Senior Member	One of the problems with us is that we have all been educated with a modern nation-state as our experience, we do not know anything different. Some of us may have theoretical knowledge from books about what a khalifah might look like and operate...but because of our modern experiences we might model it on the nation-state (a strong centralized authority with lots of control etc.). Maybe there is no model and even making detailed plans of how it would be is inappropriate....maybe aside from a few general laws people are left to govern themselves. The more regulations and laws there are imposed by the centralized authority the more corruption there is. Lao Tzu: I would recommend listening to this long lecture, not because I advocate his ideas, but just to gain a different perspective on the problem of government and to recognize that there are many different ways to govern without creating a centralized nation-state or empire. The Usmanli khalifah did not call itself an empire, the west called it the ottomon empire, but they called themselves the dawla....this is a less rigid, centralized and bureaucratic form of Islamic rule, empires are rigid and controlling designed to enrich people in the centre of government. If you get a chance watch this: Hoppe in Sydney 2011: "Society Without State - Private Law Society" http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=TBER0noHGC8 Society without state - that sounds like a western problem. A theoretical construct. We have a concrete problem at hand. We can state it simply: How to implement Shariah. Or how to go about implementing Shariah. Unfortunately one might end up sounding like Anjum Choudhury but ultimately this is the question that we have to answer. I suppose we should ask in every geographical location about our plan to implement Shariah. In India we have five year plans for development by the government. And there is a planning commission that plans twenty years in advance. Since Muslim world is in a state of flux a clear cut plan for future actions is not a bad idea - rather it is a necessity.
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