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**E4qC1qQ5** · 09-04-2012, 04:22 AM

There exists intellectual currents withing the west that are against everything the modern world stands for; all the products of the enlightenment.

There are writers and philosophers who are more or less 'in accord' with muslims, in that they are anti-democratic, anti-liberal, anti-modern, pro-tradition. And I'm not talking about Christians, since they have basically embraced liberalism and democracy, giving up.

The people I'm talking about are the likes of rene guenon, martin lings, martin heidegger, julius evola. Not everything they had to say is entirely acceptable to muslims, but their arguments can be put to good use in attacking modernity. Lings and guenon converted to islam as well. Then of course there's plato and aristotle, who spent their whole time attacking ideas that are popular today; the ideas of Moral relativism, democracy, atheism, egalitarianism, scientism, these guys all provide good intellectual ammunition against such ideas. There was also a movement called the counter-enlightenment, which attacked the whole enlightenment project (the enlightenment being the root of all the ideas prevalent in the world within the last 200 odd years such as communism etc)

I'm not suggesting you adopt all their ideas, but their arguments can be put to good use in attacking modernism.

09-04-2012, 04:22 AM	#23
E4qC1qQ5 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 495 Senior Member	There exists intellectual currents withing the west that are against everything the modern world stands for; all the products of the enlightenment. There are writers and philosophers who are more or less 'in accord' with muslims, in that they are anti-democratic, anti-liberal, anti-modern, pro-tradition. And I'm not talking about Christians, since they have basically embraced liberalism and democracy, giving up. The people I'm talking about are the likes of rene guenon, martin lings, martin heidegger, julius evola. Not everything they had to say is entirely acceptable to muslims, but their arguments can be put to good use in attacking modernity. Lings and guenon converted to islam as well. Then of course there's plato and aristotle, who spent their whole time attacking ideas that are popular today; the ideas of Moral relativism, democracy, atheism, egalitarianism, scientism, these guys all provide good intellectual ammunition against such ideas. There was also a movement called the counter-enlightenment, which attacked the whole enlightenment project (the enlightenment being the root of all the ideas prevalent in the world within the last 200 odd years such as communism etc) I'm not suggesting you adopt all their ideas, but their arguments can be put to good use in attacking modernism.
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