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**velichay** · 09-04-2012, 04:22 AM

One of the best articles I've ever read in my life.
Wallahi I LOVE Khalid Baig! May Allah grant him long life with 'afiyat!
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Better, Try to See the Light

By: Khalid Baig
Source: http://www.albalagh.net/food_for_thought/quran2.shtml

Modern day Christianity and Judaism have been through a series of "reformation" processes. Over the centuries tens of thousands of "reformed churches" and "reformed synagogues" have been established throughout Europe and America. Many see this revision and update as a continuous process.

So, why not Islam?

So, why is there no "reform" movement in Islam ala Christianity or Judaism?

What if there IS a global attempt to manufacture a reform movement in Islam to be compatible with a unIslamic political ideology which happens to dominate the world?

To add to these Baig's observations, I am inclined to draw an IDEOLOGICAL LINK between America's political ideological influence over both Christianity and Judaism and the consequental emergence of a reconstructed version of Islam.
To no surprise, it has been prophecized that Muslims would follow previous generations into degenerate misguidance:

Abu Said Al-Khudri reported that the Messenger of Allah (saws) said: "You will surely follow in the ways of those before you, span by span and cubit by cubit, so much so that if they were to enter an iguana's hole, you would follow after them." We said, "O Messenger of Allah, do you mean the Jews and the Christians?" He replied, "Then, who else?" In another hadith of Imam Tirmidhi's Sunan it is reported on the authority of Abdullah Ibn Amr that the Prophet of Allah (saws) further said, "If there was a person among them who went unto his mother publicly, there will also appear some in my Ummah who will do the same."

It can be ascertained that ONE VIRULENT STRAIN OF ISLAMIC MODERNISM or Islamic Reformism was initiated largely at a ‘Religious’ level with the emergence of interfaith Dialogue.

Then it manifested in political and legal affairs, specifically the fatwa permitting participation in kufr politics and the Fiqh of Minorities.

But while its original founders may have wished to keep the barn door closed on everything else, it has been opened anyways. Social reformism is a major emphasis of deviant elements and has given rise to multiple fronts: gay rights, feminism, marital restructuring, and more. I have personally had to argue with a ‘modernist’ who exclaimed that Muslim women can marry Christian men based on deviant interpretations of Quranic text. And of course, the now infamous gay Daiyee AbdulLiwat, the gay chaplain who marries men who pretend to be Muslim in America. And this trend is growing in throughout the world.

One of the fundamental bases of a reconstructed Islam is the usuli (mis)concept of Fiqhul Aqaliyat: Fiqh of Minorities.

Fiqh of Minorities emerged from the Alzhari trained scholar Tahir Jabr al Alwani with association with Al Azhari trained Ismail Faruqi. Faruqi preceded al Alwani when he concieved the concepts of 'Abrahim Tradition and Interfaith Dialogue' in the early 1980s, almost as a precursor. Faruqi was later murdered in 1986 (may Allah forgive him). But Faruqi and al Alwani’s legacy would live on in their think tank:

IIIT “International Institute of Islamic Thought”.

IIIT is one of the influential sources of this ISLAMIC MODERNISM. To note, it's founders Faruqi and al Alwani have stretched their influences in many other regions of the Muslim world through IIIT in particular.
Some of its important fellows and cohorts include Anwar Ibrahim important political activist from Malaysia, Abdul Hamid Suliman, rector of Islamic University of Malaysia, Abdur Rahman al Amoudi, founder of American Muslim Council, Louay Safi, founder of CSID (Center for Study of Islam and Democracy) and former director of ISNA, among many others.

It should be noted that while I have not documented how, this Islamic modernism has spread beyond just Malaysia. Fethullah Gulen became a major proponent of Ismail Faruqi's theory of Interfaith Dialogue and al Alwani's adoption of participation in secular politics. In the early 1990s, Gulen's movement in Turkey grew in political influence until a Gulen protege first became PM, Erbakan, in 1997. While he was overthrown by a nonviolent coup, Erdogan, another Gulen protege, would go on further than Erbakan and sustain his political role.

How much of a role did IIIT play in shaping the Gulen movement's ideas of politics, secularism, etc?
What role has this modernism played in shaping Turkey today?

It can be said that the Gulen movement is alleged to have connections within the CIA, as CIA official Fuller protected Fethullah Gulen from extradition/deportation to Turkey. And Gulen has had connections with Ishak Alaton, a wealthy Jewish Turk with major businesses in Central Asia. And that the CIA coordinated support for the Gulen movement in Central Asia to counter Iranian Shiite influence. Turkey's "Islamist" influence in Central Asia has really been through the spread of its Gulenist style movement. And it is no secret that America, from SecState Baker to Obama, have encouraged the Muslim world to follow the Turkish model, intimating support for the Gulen movement.

(Gulen resides in the Pocono mountains in northeast Pennsylvania- about 3 hours from Washington DC)

As for al Alwani and al Faruqi, these two trained scholars founded IIIT, and Al Alwani went on to found the Fiqh Council of North America (FCNA). FCNA has since contributed to the founding of European Fiqh Council. Al Alwani has since founded his own university: Cordoba university located in Virginia just outside of Washington DC. Since then, and despite the more restrained urgings of Al Alwani regarding the use of his usuli principles, several Muslim leaders have taken his opened door and pushed it wider. He has also opened doors from America to the Muslim world.

I want to stop there and make a statement:

This is not new information. It is public info and known to deceiving and diabolical disbelievers in America. But I wanted to share it here to show that not only is there a reform movement being promoted, but in many ways, it started or gained fruition in America and has spread to Malaysia, Turkey, and more countries.

How much of this is 'reform' and how much is actual reform?

Is this part of the gradualsim methodology of the MB?

Do certain players play the game of nations (eg. work with CIA) in order to advance their own game?

Allah knows best.

09-04-2012, 04:22 AM	#33
velichay Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 431 Senior Member	One of the best articles I've ever read in my life. Wallahi I LOVE Khalid Baig! May Allah grant him long life with 'afiyat! --- Better, Try to See the Light By: Khalid Baig Source: http://www.albalagh.net/food_for_thought/quran2.shtml Modern day Christianity and Judaism have been through a series of "reformation" processes. Over the centuries tens of thousands of "reformed churches" and "reformed synagogues" have been established throughout Europe and America. Many see this revision and update as a continuous process. So, why not Islam? So, why is there no "reform" movement in Islam ala Christianity or Judaism? What if there IS a global attempt to manufacture a reform movement in Islam to be compatible with a unIslamic political ideology which happens to dominate the world? To add to these Baig's observations, I am inclined to draw an IDEOLOGICAL LINK between America's political ideological influence over both Christianity and Judaism and the consequental emergence of a reconstructed version of Islam. To no surprise, it has been prophecized that Muslims would follow previous generations into degenerate misguidance: Abu Said Al-Khudri reported that the Messenger of Allah (saws) said: "You will surely follow in the ways of those before you, span by span and cubit by cubit, so much so that if they were to enter an iguana's hole, you would follow after them." We said, "O Messenger of Allah, do you mean the Jews and the Christians?" He replied, "Then, who else?" In another hadith of Imam Tirmidhi's Sunan it is reported on the authority of Abdullah Ibn Amr that the Prophet of Allah (saws) further said, "If there was a person among them who went unto his mother publicly, there will also appear some in my Ummah who will do the same." It can be ascertained that ONE VIRULENT STRAIN OF ISLAMIC MODERNISM or Islamic Reformism was initiated largely at a ‘Religious’ level with the emergence of interfaith Dialogue. Then it manifested in political and legal affairs, specifically the fatwa permitting participation in kufr politics and the Fiqh of Minorities. But while its original founders may have wished to keep the barn door closed on everything else, it has been opened anyways. Social reformism is a major emphasis of deviant elements and has given rise to multiple fronts: gay rights, feminism, marital restructuring, and more. I have personally had to argue with a ‘modernist’ who exclaimed that Muslim women can marry Christian men based on deviant interpretations of Quranic text. And of course, the now infamous gay Daiyee AbdulLiwat, the gay chaplain who marries men who pretend to be Muslim in America. And this trend is growing in throughout the world. One of the fundamental bases of a reconstructed Islam is the usuli (mis)concept of Fiqhul Aqaliyat: Fiqh of Minorities. Fiqh of Minorities emerged from the Alzhari trained scholar Tahir Jabr al Alwani with association with Al Azhari trained Ismail Faruqi. Faruqi preceded al Alwani when he concieved the concepts of 'Abrahim Tradition and Interfaith Dialogue' in the early 1980s, almost as a precursor. Faruqi was later murdered in 1986 (may Allah forgive him). But Faruqi and al Alwani’s legacy would live on in their think tank: IIIT “International Institute of Islamic Thought”. IIIT is one of the influential sources of this ISLAMIC MODERNISM. To note, it's founders Faruqi and al Alwani have stretched their influences in many other regions of the Muslim world through IIIT in particular. Some of its important fellows and cohorts include Anwar Ibrahim important political activist from Malaysia, Abdul Hamid Suliman, rector of Islamic University of Malaysia, Abdur Rahman al Amoudi, founder of American Muslim Council, Louay Safi, founder of CSID (Center for Study of Islam and Democracy) and former director of ISNA, among many others. It should be noted that while I have not documented how, this Islamic modernism has spread beyond just Malaysia. Fethullah Gulen became a major proponent of Ismail Faruqi's theory of Interfaith Dialogue and al Alwani's adoption of participation in secular politics. In the early 1990s, Gulen's movement in Turkey grew in political influence until a Gulen protege first became PM, Erbakan, in 1997. While he was overthrown by a nonviolent coup, Erdogan, another Gulen protege, would go on further than Erbakan and sustain his political role. How much of a role did IIIT play in shaping the Gulen movement's ideas of politics, secularism, etc? What role has this modernism played in shaping Turkey today? It can be said that the Gulen movement is alleged to have connections within the CIA, as CIA official Fuller protected Fethullah Gulen from extradition/deportation to Turkey. And Gulen has had connections with Ishak Alaton, a wealthy Jewish Turk with major businesses in Central Asia. And that the CIA coordinated support for the Gulen movement in Central Asia to counter Iranian Shiite influence. Turkey's "Islamist" influence in Central Asia has really been through the spread of its Gulenist style movement. And it is no secret that America, from SecState Baker to Obama, have encouraged the Muslim world to follow the Turkish model, intimating support for the Gulen movement. (Gulen resides in the Pocono mountains in northeast Pennsylvania- about 3 hours from Washington DC) As for al Alwani and al Faruqi, these two trained scholars founded IIIT, and Al Alwani went on to found the Fiqh Council of North America (FCNA). FCNA has since contributed to the founding of European Fiqh Council. Al Alwani has since founded his own university: Cordoba university located in Virginia just outside of Washington DC. Since then, and despite the more restrained urgings of Al Alwani regarding the use of his usuli principles, several Muslim leaders have taken his opened door and pushed it wider. He has also opened doors from America to the Muslim world. I want to stop there and make a statement: This is not new information. It is public info and known to deceiving and diabolical disbelievers in America. But I wanted to share it here to show that not only is there a reform movement being promoted, but in many ways, it started or gained fruition in America and has spread to Malaysia, Turkey, and more countries. How much of this is 'reform' and how much is actual reform? Is this part of the gradualsim methodology of the MB? Do certain players play the game of nations (eg. work with CIA) in order to advance their own game? Allah knows best.
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